W3C

i18n Core WG

23 Jan 2007

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Felix, Francois, Michael, Ienup
Regrets
Richard
Chair
Francois
Scribe
Felix

Contents


Agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0018.html

last week minutes

http://www.w3.org/2007/01/09-i18ncore-minutes

approved minutes

action items

<scribe> ACTION: all to look at the C064 issue (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to describe potential data binding review (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0013.html

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to the CSS WG saying that we did not come to do the CSS 2.1 review and need an extension until 16 Februrary (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0016.html

Felix: no reply yet

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to WS policy and say i18n core is fine with the pocliy drafts (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to xml schema saying we will have IRI xml schema tests as part of the IRI test suite, no need to have them within the xml schema conformance test suite (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a reply to him (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]

<scribe> ACTION: Richard to go back to PLS folks (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]

<scribe> ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to do the IDN work update (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]

Michael: drafted a scenario, I'll send it at the end of today

Felix: tx, we will discuss it next week

Michael: tested various browsers on Windows
... I'll put the information in the draft

Charmod C064 considered unclear

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0013.html

(Felix explains the mail)

Francois: Unicode page has evolved since we promoted charmod
... so charmod norm in relation to that Unicode page is a bit akward
... we put a reference to C063 and C064 to avoid references to e.g. Unicode 1.0
... I see Bjoerns point now, the latest version does not mean necessarly the latest published version
... if the latest book is the level of precision you need, that is fine
... I would put a note after C064 and C065 saying that

Felix: adding a note without changing the statement is fine

<scribe> ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]

Felix: should we maintain a reference?

Michael: no opinion

Ienup: we should avoid dublication
... it is responsibility of the Unicode consortium, not the W3C WG
... I had a question: why do we have the contradictory wording, with Francois statement, I now understand
... making a clarification, Bjoern might be ok

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Dec/0031.html

Francois: we cannot maintain that information

Ienup: we could point Bjoern to the URL from Unicode

<fyergeau> http://www.unicode.org/versions/enumeratedversions.html#Latest

Francois: we cannot give a guarentee if Unicode will maintain that pages

Ienup: we could ask the Unicode UTC for a clarification
... i..e wether the URI will be maintained
... next meeting will be in February
... Feb 6-9

<scribe> ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action14]

Ienup: I will write a mail about the question to you guys

Felix: ok

LC drafts

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to VBWG asking about our CCXML comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action15]

Felix: input to data binding comments, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Jan/0012.html
... should we ask them to information about the BOM?

Francois: worried about that. BOM is specified in XML spec itself
... don't think we should make it too wide
... we should not make it too wide. Pointing to the Unicode FAQ is a good idea

Ienup: agree, we should refer to Unicode FAQ

Felix: next comment: should they refer to XML 1.1 as well?

Francois: for XML Schema 1.0 it does not make sense, since it is XML 1.0, for implementations it is useful

Felix: the spec is not about implementations, so let's drop this comment

http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/NOTE-timezone-20051013/

Francois: good to have a note about the differences between dateTime in xml schema and programming languages
... on languageElement: agree with asking for a reference to BCP 47

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to bring i18n core comments to data binding WG

xml:base

Francois: I'll try to make a reply to Martin before 31 January

c14n

Ienup: the document mentions BOM
... saying that BOM should be stripped out for utf-16
... it is referencing quite old definitions for utf-8 and utf-16, they are quite outdated, they should reference the current version of Unicode instead
... that reference has important information related to security

Francois: for BOM, I need to look at the spec. As for the references: these are for the RFCs which control what utf-8 / utf-16 is on the internet
... I think this should remain references to the proper RFCs, only utf-8 needs to be updated
... for the BOM: where do you want a change?

Ienup: sec 2.1

"For UTF-16, the leading byte order mark is treated as an artifact of encoding and stripped from the UCS character data (subsequent zero width non-breaking spaces appearing within the UTF-16 data are not removed) [UTF-16, Section 3.2]"

should also mention utf-8

Francois: also update the references to Unicode
... and rfc 2279 to 3629

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to go back to xml core with our comments on c14n [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action16]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION:Felix to bring i18n core comments to data binding WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action121]
ACTION: Felix to go back to VBWG asking about our CCXML comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Felix to go back to xml core with our comments on c14n [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action16]
[NEW] ACTION: Francois to draft s.t. for a note about C064 / C065 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Ienup to go to the Unicode UTC and check the stability of the "latest version" URI for referencing Unicode [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action14]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: all to give feedback on LTLI update [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: all to look at the C064 issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to have a look at issue 3698 and gather information on options for diacrictics in collations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: Francois to reread Martins mail and to write a reply to him [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to describe potential data binding review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to the CSS WG saying that we did not come to do the CSS 2.1 review and need an extension until 16 Februrary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to WS policy and say i18n core is fine with the pocliy drafts [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Felix to go back to xml schema saying we will have IRI xml schema tests as part of the IRI test suite, no need to have them within the xml schema conformance test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael to do the IDN work update [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action12]
[DONE] ACTION: Richard to go back to PLS folks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
 
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