<raphael> Scribe: Raphael, Jacco

<TobiasBuerger> hi raphael!

1. ADMIN

<mhausenblas> hi

<alessio> hallo raphael, hallo all

<IoannisPratikakis> unfortunately, it is not possible

<IoannisPratikakis> we have a restriction to call abroad

<IoannisPratikakis> we have to do it via secreteriat that is closed now

<alessio> I know Ioannis problem... that's because I always join via IRC

<SusanneBoll> mute SusanneBoll

<IoannisPratikakis> voipbuster is for free ?

<SusanneBoll> mute Susanne Boll

<raphael> YES, Ioannis

<raphael> type : "Zakim, mute me"

<Jacco> soory guys, I've to send regrets. Thought I would be ok after a few asparins but I'm not... See you next time

<raphael> perhaps

<mhausenblas> hear you in a minute ...

<IoannisPratikakis> thanks for the info, first i hear it

<anadiotis> actually, i think voipbuster only gives you an initial number of free minutes, after that you have to pay

<isti> hi all from Patrizia, Suzanne and Massimo

<raphael> could you all join please ?

<raphael> please ALL, join again on the phone

<SusanneBoll> i am here

<raphael> Susanne you can join again on the phone

<raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 16 November 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED

<raphael> ACCEPTED: skip the telecon of 7 December 2006, reason: Face 2 Face the

<raphael> 8-9 of December

<raphael> POLL: next telecon of 21 December 20006 ?

<IoannisPratikakis> vote for 21/12

<SusanneBoll> yes, please

<raphael> SKIP the telecon of 21/12: ACCEPTED

<raphael> POLL: next telecon of 4 January 2007 ?

<raphael> Next Telecon: 11/01 and 18/01

2. LINKS Pages

<raphael> Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page ...

<raphael> Oscar has contributed

<raphael> his account is in the pipeline

<raphael> Raphael ... skip the section 4 ... describe the overlap in the description of the vocabularies

<raphael> ... make this document an XG TR ?

<raphael> keep it as a living document for sure.

<raphael> all my comments have been addressed

<raphael> Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page ... Giovanni not here

3. XG UPDATES

<raphael> Melli and Paul are not here

<raphael> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the SW" PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action01]

<raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]

<raphael> ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action03]

3.1 Music Use Case

<raphael> nobody is here

3.2 News Use case

<raphael> We are working on getting the data

<raphael> PB: show problems of using NewsML1 and 2, DowJones ML or even the format from a braodcaster

<mhausenblas> raphael http://www.profium.com/

<raphael> Except to have a nice description for discussion during the F2F

3.3 Bio-medical use case

<raphael> Melli is not here

3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case

<raphael> Michael does not really know the status

<raphael> ACTION: Michael to contact Stamatia about this use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]

3.5 Photo Use case

<raphael> Susanne: plan to use slides to present the use case

<raphael> Raphael: F2F will be working session, we could spend one hour per use case

<raphael> Susanne: overlap with the vocabulary page, many vocabularies possible

<raphael> ... discuss the applications that will handle the metadata

<raphael> Jeff: towards a common framework for MM interoperability problems ...

3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case

<raphael> Ioannis, would you like to comment ?

<IoannisPratikakis> there is an update since yesterday

<IoannisPratikakis> apologies for my late response

<IoannisPratikakis> due to limited availability

<raphael> would you like to explain this update ...

<IoannisPratikakis> examples are more detaled

<IoannisPratikakis> there is a Figure to depict the metadata over the web page

<raphael> My main coments with the update is why choosing an example about athletics in Section 2 and then an art example in the solution (section 3)

<raphael> ?

<raphael> When do you plan to discuss the solution ?

3.7 Algorithm representation Use case

<IoannisPratikakis> for both examples are already discussed the solutions

<raphael> thanks Ioannis, what do you expect now for going forward ?

<raphael> Two review for the use cases: Tobias and Raphael

<IoannisPratikakis> more people involved from the SW community to give a more in-depth flavor of the SW requirements

<IoannisPratikakis> we should discuss it at F2F meeting

<raphael> ok Ioannis !

<raphael> Patrizia: different kind of interoperability problems

<raphael> ... low level: input / output of the algorithms

<raphael> ... higher level: semantic concepts

<raphael> You should take a look at the MPEG-7 ontology of K-Space .... (algorithm design pattern)

<IoannisPratikakis> is it publicly available ?

<mhausenblas> iannis: not yet

<IoannisPratikakis> when do you estimate that we may have at least a draft ?

<raphael> Most likely in December ...

<IoannisPratikakis> If we can get it to F2F then perfect timing

<raphael> ACTION: Patrizia to tell if someone from ISTI will make the F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action05]

3.8 Tagging Use case

<raphael> Small update on the description of the solution

<raphael> George will not make the F2F

<raphael> ... but it is possible to make a demo during the Face 2 Face

3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web Applications

<raphael> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]

4. Interoperability Deliverable

<raphael> Vassilis is not here

<raphael> It will be an important point during the next F2F meeting

<raphael> Susanne: what kind of text should be provided ?

<raphael> Jeff: in section 9 (possible solutions) and 6.2

<raphael> ... summary of the problems encountered in the use cases

<mhausenblas> we have a AP here already ... (Vassilis) - better wait?

<raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list: PENDING [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action07]

<raphael> sorry, i quit the phone, no crdit on my phone card :-(

<raphael> I'm finishing the telecon on IRC only

<raphael> Michael, you scribe the end ?

<mhausenblas> i'll try it ..

<mhausenblas> ACTION: Chairs to contact Vassilis, ALL UC authors to contribute till F2F [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]

Future Meetings

<anadiotis> bye all

<SusanneBoll> bye

<raphael> Scribe: raphael, michael

<IoannisPratikakis> bye, see you at F2F in Athens

<JeffP> see you :-)

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Scribes: Raphael, Jacco, raphael, michael
Present: SusanneBoll Raphael JeffPan Michael ISTI George Tobias Ioannis(IRC) Jacco(IRC) alessio(IRC)
Regrets: Giovanni Pasquale Chris Paola Thierry Stamatia
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html
Got date from IRC log name: 23 Nov 2006
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html
People with action items: chairs jeff michael patrizia raphael vassilis