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16:33:57 <raphael> raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 23-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
16:34:23 <raphael> zakim, list
16:34:23 <Zakim> I see no active conferences
16:34:24 <Zakim> scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM,
16:34:26 <Zakim> ... VB_VBWG()10:00AM
16:38:59 <raphael> zakim, list
16:38:59 <Zakim> I see no active conferences
16:39:00 <Zakim> scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM,
16:39:02 <Zakim> ... VB_VBWG()10:00AM
16:51:12 <raphael> zakim, list
16:51:12 <Zakim> I see no active conferences
16:51:13 <Zakim> scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM,
16:51:15 <Zakim> ... WAI_Team()10:45AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM
16:51:24 <raphael> zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM
16:51:24 <Zakim> ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
16:51:48 <raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 23-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
16:52:02 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0036.html
16:52:09 <raphael> Scribe: Raphael, Jacco
16:52:12 <raphael> Chair: Jeff
16:52:42 <raphael> Regrets: Giovanni, Pasquale, Chris, Paola, Thierry, Stamatia
16:52:50 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:52:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
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16:53:24 <raphael> RRSagent, make logs public
16:53:28 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:53:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
16:54:17 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started
16:54:22 <raphael> RRSagent, make logs public
16:54:26 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:54:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
16:54:31 <TobiasBuerger> hi raphael!
16:54:56 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
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16:56:25 <mhausenblas> hi
16:56:47 <mhausenblas> zakim, who is here?
16:56:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
16:56:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
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16:57:43 <raphael> zakim, list
16:57:43 <Zakim> I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM active
16:57:45 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM,
16:57:47 <Zakim> ... GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM
16:57:57 <raphael> zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
16:57:57 <Zakim> raphael, this was already INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
16:57:58 <Zakim> ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
16:58:24 <alessio> hallo raphael, hallo all
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17:01:35 <IoannisPratikakis> unfortunately, it is not possible
17:02:03 <IoannisPratikakis> we have a restriction to call abroad
17:02:07 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
17:02:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:02:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:02:12 <JeffP> JeffP has joined #mmsem
17:02:20 <IoannisPratikakis> we have to do it via secreteriat that is closed now
17:02:26 <SusanneBoll> SusanneBoll has joined #mmsem
17:02:53 <alessio> I know Ioannis problem... that's because I always join via IRC
17:03:00 <Jacco> Jacco has joined #mmsem
17:03:19 <SusanneBoll> mute SusanneBoll
17:03:27 <raphael> zakim, mute SusanneBoll
17:03:27 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'SusanneBoll'
17:03:32 <IoannisPratikakis> voipbuster is for free ?
17:03:40 <SusanneBoll> mute Susanne Boll
17:03:42 <raphael> YES, Ioannis
17:03:52 <raphael> type : "Zakim, mute me"
17:03:55 <Jacco> soory guys, I've to send regrets.  Thought I would be ok after a few asparins but I'm not... See you next time
17:04:09 <raphael> perhaps
17:04:17 <SusanneBoll> Zakim, mute me
17:04:17 <Zakim> sorry, SusanneBoll, I do not see a party named 'SusanneBoll'
17:04:20 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
17:04:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:04:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:04:24 <mhausenblas> hear you in a minute ...
17:04:26 <IoannisPratikakis> thanks for the info, first i hear it
17:04:33 <anadiotis> actually, i think voipbuster only gives you an initial number of free minutes, after that you have to pay
17:04:58 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
17:05:00 <Zakim> Attendees were 
17:05:01 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started
17:06:07 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
17:06:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
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17:06:51 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
17:06:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:06:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:07:06 <isti> hi all from Patrizia, Suzanne and Massimo
17:07:24 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
17:07:25 <Zakim> Attendees were 
17:07:45 <JeffP> zakim, who is here?
17:07:45 <Zakim> apparently INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended, JeffP
17:07:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:07:51 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started
17:07:59 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
17:07:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:08:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:08:07 <raphael> zakim, this is me
17:08:07 <Zakim> raphael, I see SwapMe in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be me".
17:08:23 <raphael> could you all join please ?
17:08:37 <raphael> zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
17:08:37 <Zakim> raphael, this was already INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
17:08:39 <Zakim> ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
17:08:48 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
17:08:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
17:08:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see isti, Jacco, SusanneBoll, JeffP, anadiotis, IoannisPratikakis, alessio, mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:09:07 <raphael> please ALL, join again on the phone
17:09:57 <raphael> RRSagent, draft minutes
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:10:11 <raphael> RRSagent, draft minutes
17:10:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:10:20 <raphael> RRSagent, make logs public
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17:10:58 <SusanneBoll> i am here
17:11:10 <raphael> Susanne you can join again on the phone
17:12:05 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 16 November 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED
17:12:21 <raphael> ACCEPTED: skip the telecon of 7 December 2006, reason: Face 2 Face the
17:12:21 <raphael> 8-9 of December
17:12:31 <raphael> POLL: next telecon of 21 December 20006 ?
17:12:55 <IoannisPratikakis> vote for 21/12
17:13:18 <SusanneBoll> yes, please
17:13:43 <raphael> SKIP the telecon of 21/12: ACCEPTED
17:13:54 <raphael> POLL: next telecon of 4 January 2007 ?
17:14:44 <raphael> Next Telecon: 11/01 and 18/01
17:15:00 <raphael> Topic: 2. LINKS Pages 
17:15:27 <raphael> Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page ...
17:15:31 <raphael> Oscar has contributed
17:15:42 <raphael> his account is in the pipeline
17:17:35 <raphael> Raphael ... skip the section 4 ... describe the overlap in the description of the vocabularies
17:18:52 <raphael> ... make this document an XG TR ?
17:19:06 <raphael> keep it as a living document for sure.
17:19:15 <raphael> all my comments have been addressed
17:19:49 <raphael> Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page ... Giovanni not here
17:20:08 <raphael> Topic: 3. XG UPDATES 
17:20:13 <raphael> Melli and Paul are not here
17:20:56 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the SW" PENDING
17:21:35 <raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases PENDING
17:22:02 <raphael> ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases PENDING
17:22:14 <raphael> Topic: 3.1 Music Use Case
17:22:33 <raphael> nobody is here
17:22:51 <raphael> Topic: 3.2 News Use case
17:24:03 <raphael> We are working on getting the data
17:25:14 <raphael> PB: show problems of using NewsML1 and 2, DowJones ML or even the format from a braodcaster
17:25:18 <mhausenblas> raphael http://www.profium.com/
17:26:54 <raphael> Except to have a nice description for discussion during the F2F
17:27:18 <raphael> Topic: 3.3 Bio-medical use case
17:27:21 <raphael> Melli is not here
17:27:37 <raphael> Topic: 3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
17:28:00 <raphael> Michael does not really know the status
17:29:24 <raphael> ACTION: Michael to contact Stamatia about this use case
17:29:36 <raphael> Topic: 3.5 Photo Use case
17:31:48 <raphael> Susanne: plan to use slides to present the use case
17:32:08 <raphael> Raphael: F2F will be working session, we could spend one hour per use case
17:32:48 <raphael> Susanne: overlap with the vocabulary page, many vocabularies possible
17:33:54 <raphael> ... discuss the applications that will handle the metadata
17:35:58 <raphael> Jeff: towards a common framework for MM interoperability problems ...
17:36:32 <raphael> Topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case
17:36:46 <raphael> Ioannis, would you like to comment ?
17:36:56 <IoannisPratikakis> there is an update since yesterday
17:37:06 <IoannisPratikakis> apologies for my late response
17:37:14 <IoannisPratikakis> due to limited availability
17:37:20 <raphael> would you like to explain this update ...
17:37:37 <IoannisPratikakis> examples are more detaled 
17:38:23 <IoannisPratikakis> there is a Figure to depict the metadata over the web page
17:38:32 <raphael> My main coments with the update is why choosing an example about athletics in Section 2 and then an art example in the solution (section 3)
17:38:39 <raphael> ?
17:38:49 <raphael> When do you plan to discuss the solution ?
17:39:07 <raphael> Topic: 3.7 Algorithm representation Use case
17:39:18 <IoannisPratikakis> for both examples are already discussed the solutions
17:39:50 <raphael> thanks Ioannis, what do you expect now for going forward ?
17:40:05 <raphael> Two review for the use cases: Tobias and Raphael
17:40:13 <raphael> zakim, who is talking
17:40:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', raphael
17:40:16 <raphael> zakim, who is talking?
17:40:28 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (28%), ??P3 (13%), ??P5 (71%)
17:40:32 <IoannisPratikakis> more people involved from the SW community to give a more in-depth flavor of the SW requirements
17:40:37 <raphael> zakim, mute ??P5
17:40:37 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named '??P5'
17:40:40 <raphael> zakim, mute P5
17:40:40 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'P5'
17:41:04 <IoannisPratikakis> we should discuss it at F2F meeting
17:41:20 <raphael> ok Ioannis !
17:42:34 <raphael> Patrizia: different kind of interoperability problems
17:42:45 <raphael> ... low level: input / output of the algorithms
17:43:09 <raphael> ... higher level: semantic concepts
17:43:49 <raphael> You should take a look at the MPEG-7 ontology of K-Space .... (algorithm design pattern)
17:44:12 <IoannisPratikakis> is it publicly available ?
17:44:33 <mhausenblas> iannis: not yet
17:45:00 <IoannisPratikakis> when do you estimate that we may have at least a draft ?
17:45:49 <raphael> Most likely in December ...
17:46:16 <IoannisPratikakis> If we can get it to F2F then perfect timing
17:47:51 <raphael> ACTION: Patrizia to tell if someone from ISTI will make the F2F
17:48:29 <raphael> Topic: 3.8 Tagging Use case
17:48:46 <raphael> Small update on the description of the solution
17:49:12 <raphael> George will not make the F2F
17:49:24 <raphael> ... but it is possible to make a demo during the Face 2 Face
17:50:47 <raphael> Topic: 3.9 Building multimedial Semantic Web Applications
17:50:59 <raphael> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review
17:52:11 <raphael> PENDING
17:52:24 <raphael> Topic: 4. Interoperability Deliverable
17:52:30 <raphael> Vassilis is not here
17:52:49 <raphael> It will be an important point during the next F2F meeting
17:53:03 <raphael> Susanne: what kind of text should be provided ?
17:54:11 <raphael> Jeff: in section 9 (possible solutions) and 6.2
17:54:48 <raphael> ... summary of the problems encountered in the use cases 
17:54:56 <mhausenblas> we have a AP here already ... (Vassilis) - better wait?
17:55:28 <raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list: PENDING
17:56:03 <raphael> sorry, i quit the phone, no crdit on my phone card :-(
17:56:39 <raphael> I'm finishing the telecon on IRC only
17:56:45 <raphael> Michael, you scribe the end ?
17:56:59 <mhausenblas> i'll try it ..
17:57:31 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:57:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:57:41 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:58:22 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Chairs to contact Vassilis, ALL UC authors to contribute till F2F
17:58:52 <mhausenblas> Topic: Future Meetings
18:00:44 <anadiotis> bye all
18:00:59 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
18:01:00 <Zakim> Attendees were 
18:01:08 <SusanneBoll> bye
18:01:39 <raphael> Scribe: raphael, michael
18:01:44 <IoannisPratikakis> bye, see you at F2F in Athens
18:02:00 <JeffP> see you :-)
18:02:23 <raphael> Present: SusanneBoll, Raphael, JeffPan, Michael, ISTI, George, Tobias, Ioannis(IRC), Jacco(IRC), alessio(IRC)
18:02:30 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:02:32 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:02:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:03:01 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:03:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:03:05 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:03:07 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
18:03:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/23-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:04:23 <alessio> ciao, a bientot :)
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18:04:58 <mhausenblas> bye - see you soon!
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