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Guus: Propose accept minutes

Bernard: seconded

Accepted

RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 14th November telecon: http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html

Regrets from Ralph next two weeks,

Regrets from Daniel next week

Guus: wiki

Ralph: Action is done.
... may need to register users

ACTION: [DONE] Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04]

Ralph: please try it out and let Ralph know
... Ralph will follow up after telecon

Guus: wiki makes it easier to contribute to home page

<RalphS> I apparently need to enable accounts for each WG member

Ralph: brief conversation with Sandro re document tools

ACTION: Ralph to liaise with Sandro re Documentation tools [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action02]

Alistair: Clarification whether non-members can subscribe/post
... to swd mailing list. No link on the mailing list page

Ralph: Anyone can post. Subscriptions are more complex
... anyone can read the archive. Subscriptions happen when sign up to WG
... awkward to add others.

Alistair: why?

Ralph: No good procedural reason as everything's public. No objection if we were
... to allow non-members to subscribe. Needs manual step to approve.

Alistair: Mailed to esw-thes list regarding SKOS discussion on this list
... maybe less accessible.

Ralph: Happy to talk about this, but reluctant due to extra overhead.

Daniel: For those working on use cases
... how will that work. email goes back and forth with users.
... these are non-members

Alistair: Why not cc swd list?

Ralph: Replies will be ok as anyone can post to list.
... carefully use ccs

Guus: reply-all and it will all work :-)

SKOS Requirements

Guus: Actions
... all to respond to Alistair's proposal. Some traffic. Close?

Alistair: keep it open for another week. More feedback please

Guus: Alistair work with UCR editors.

Alistair: continued. Will draft email once a format is agreed

Guus: Daniel to send email about use case. Done

ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Alistair work with the UCR editors to draft questions to invite the esw-thes mailing list to contribute to the use cases and requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]

ACTION: [DONE] Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Jon, Daniel, Antoine figure out their individual roles as SKOS Requirements editors [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]

Daniel: Tcon set up for December 4th

Antoine: Read the use case document. Descriptions that were there match what
... Alistair proposes. But proposal might lead to longer documents.

Antoine: 2nd point, Link to part describing the functionality and vocabulary. Should functionality
... be built into the vocabulary?

Guus: Do you see consensus?

Antoine: No.

Guus: Based on what has been seen, propose a use case format to be used.

Alistair: In response, sent email recently suggesting that Antoine is right to put
... more emphasis on vocab. Divide into two sections
... 1) Vocabulary. Extracts and description of stuff
... 2) One or more applications of the vocabulary
... Distinction between functionality and application is good.
... Could also accept an application-only use case.

Guus: Need agreement on format. Propose that we agree in the manner
... Alistair just summarised, and move on.
... Antoine and editors take action on this.

<TomB> +1

ACTION: Antoine and other editors to write up format. Email to list describing format with an example. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action08]

Guus: use cases from Daniel, Bernard and Alistair

Sean: also one from me: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0044.html

Alistair: Hoping for more use cases from SKOS list.
... ought to have use cases for Dewey and UDC, AAT, MeSH etc.
... important to capture these vocabularies representing long history and experience

Ralph: Vocabs well respected in community. Also have recognition with the public

Guus: Timing. Message out to SKOS within a week. Allows time to prepare use case

<RalphS> Dewey in particular has broad public name recognition, so nice to have that as a use case

Guus: document for January meeting

Tom: Number of links to use cases. Get them into a wiki

Guus: Use wiki to keep track of this

Antoine: Planned to use wiki during the requirements gathering.

Tom: Prefer wiki or cvs? If wiki, need to have access

Guus: Good moment to start using the wiki

Other Deliverables

Guus: RDF in XHTML?

Ben: Little behind in RDFa work
... latest discussion re. Tim Berners-Lee on html/xhtml etc.
... how to make RDFa work in all these things
... apologies for delay. Planning for use case
... and requirements in the next couple of weeks.

Ralph: Tom and Ralph discussing how to keep SWD in touch with RDFa.
... separate RDFa telecons could do with some help/more work

Ben: Invitation open to anyone who wants to participate. Anyone interested in RDF
... and clickable web should keep an eye on this work.
... Ben needs to attend SWD telecons and will do so! More
... participate welcome. Interesting ideas to make RDFa work in existing browsers.

Guus: All people in RDFa work will be participants of SWD

Ralph: RDFa is intended to be jointly owned by SWD and HTML Activity WG
... charters for HTML activity not yet out for approval.
... suggesting that two people participating in RDFa telecons
... Steven Pemberton and Mark Birbeck and Elias Torres
... should participate here. Elias keen. Mark willing and Steven could
... join as W3 staff if he wanted to

Guus: Concerns
... 1) this work needs to be more in focus if we are to take responsibility. We (WG) have to decide on it
... either discussions moved to SWD list, or we need more intense summaries. Guus prefers
... former solution
... 2) Problems with HTML charter. Don't want to lose commitment from HTML community to
... work on this.

Ralph: Agree. Expectation is that two WG chartered for HTML
... 1) Traditional "tag soup" HTML
... 2) XHTML
... There will be joint work that matches the work of SWD
... Proposal for XHTML is to call it XHTML2 WG, but schedule will include XHTML1.1 RDFa module.
... that fits with SWDs.

Guus: Still operating under old task force regime

Ben: Still operating under old mailing list.
... Lots of thinking and private discussion going on. Not a lot on RDFa
... Might discourage HTML community if it's not seen as joint work

Guus: Let's not endanger collaboration with HTML community.
... Make sure stuff is cced

Ben: Can definitely do that. For now, let's cc everything and pare it down if it
... becomes too much

Guus: Introduce tags into the mailing list. Propose RDFa tag for RDFa, SKOS for SKOS and
...for things concerning everyone, use ALL

Ben: Can we tag automatically?

Ralph: No

Ben: Request for more feedback and involvement
... Refocus on spec over next two weeks.
... Use case/requirements, will mail list and canvas feedback

Guus: Recipes
... Document (incomplete) published. Aggressive schedule to republish.
... Authorships for new version?

Alistair: Unlikely to have time to edit or be involved in this work.
... Would like to be, but can't commit
... No-one has yet come forward volunteering to edit
... A lot of people aren't aware of this work. Need to market and push
... this issue and the fact that we're doing this. Lots of effort has gone into this.
... People out there who might be able to add effort.

Guus: Fora for publicising this?

Alistair: Don't know

Guus: Willing to send message pointing at original document and inviting people to
... join and participate in this.
... Semantic Web Interest Group?

Alistair: OWLEd?
... Issues about import etc.

ACTION: Guus to send email to SW Interest Group re Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action09]

Alistair: Also identity on the web at WWW2006

Guus: Principles for managing RDF vocabularies
... No volunteers

Jon: I'm working on that stuff, but don't have time to write on it
... someone in his group is doing change management/versioning.
... High interest, but no time. If there's someone who'd like to collaborate, would
... be interested

Alistair: If vocabulary has change management/versioning in the use case,
... do mention this. Change management will be key to SKOS.
... Must have at least and awareness of what such models might be.
... Research is needed.
... Models of SKOS management may well be different to those for e.g. DCMI terms

Guus: We need more people to work on this
... Tom?

Tom: Would like to input, but can't offer to edit it.
... Will think about where effort might come from. Cf. Guus's message to SW Interest

ACTION: Tom to Consider call for participation for VM on model of Guus's re: Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-swd-minutes.html#action10]

AOB

Guus: F2F set for 22/23 January
... Tom and Guus to work on agenda just before Christmas

ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility issue evolves [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]

[adjourned]