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<jallan> scribe: jr
JA: There was a back and forth between JA and JT earlier
JR: My point was that UA's might not know what actions are just highlighting-presentation
CL: State should be passed back to the DOM - so UA should know about state change
JA: IF I cause something to get focus...and that changes stylesheet...that's not necessarily a state change....
PP: On linux there are events just to say text formatting has changed
JA: But things done by CSS don't show up in DOM?
CL: DOM is the browser's
API
... But on Windows browsers of using both the DOM and MSAA to
expose things to AT's
<scribe> ACTION: CL to Consult with Aaron L about 9.5 to ensure it is ok with AJAX. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-minutes.html#action01]
JR: Describes how ATAG handles this -uses phrase "ensure that selection is separate from activation "
CL: HPR implementation did not
take into account "highlighting" note
... Pop-up menus didn't come up etc
<cklaws> http://www.mozilla.org/access/dhtml/checkbox
CL: User informed of pop-up menu and the menu is shown when enter is pressed
<cklaws> http://www.mozilla.org/access/dhtml/checkbox
CL: There are tri-state
controls
... There are also checkboxes in trees....
JR: Not is untenable since UA doesn't know which these are ("Note: For instance, in this configuration for an HTML document, do not activate any handlers for the onfocus, onblur, or onchange attributes. In this configuration, user agents should still apply any stylistic changes (e.g., highlighting) that may occur when there is a change in content focus.
")
JA: Example techs don't cover
what note covers.
... But style changes are useful.
... How to you separate event activations from style
activations
... Tested - use TAB to move to group - no change of state -
but if down arrow it immediately moves selection.
JR: Which is a violation.
... What if we removed the note? And relied on the UA to draw
its own highlighting?
JA,CL: Discuss how HTML radio buttons are organized into groups...
CL: Goal of DHTML is to have ontrols work the way they do in dialogs (eg one radio button always checked) not as in HTML (where initially you can have none checked)
JA: So where are we?
CL: Events on DHTML controls
JR: And the "note" remains problematic.
CL: UA looks at role attrib to know that a form control is such
JA: Comments in
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0014.html
... Tech5 - add "outline" property to the list
JR: We might want to add an example of a general-purpose hierarchy naviagation function.
JA: This will beome issue in XHTML2, where everything is a link etc.
CL: In HTML a link can have image and text that both go to the same place.
JA: In training tell people to do this.
CL: THis causes problems for UA.
JA: Have to be careful about
text, alt text flow
... Also had "moving by headers"
JR: Also would like to split tech3 into two clauses
JA: Let's wrasp up - 9.4 next time
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