17:47:27 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:47:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-irc 17:47:38 zakim, this will be wai_u 17:47:38 ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes 17:47:50 chair: jallan 17:47:58 scribe: jr 17:48:19 meeting: UAWG teleconference 17:49:37 JR has joined #ua 17:49:43 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0012.html 17:58:13 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:58:19 +Jim_Allan 17:58:50 +Jan_Richards 18:02:32 +[IBM] 18:02:43 parente has joined #ua 18:03:11 zakim, [IBM] is parente 18:03:11 +parente; got it 18:03:41 +[IBM] 18:03:46 Topic: 9.5 No events on focus change (P2) 18:04:24 cklaws has joined #ua 18:04:26 zakim, [IBM] is cklaws 18:04:26 +cklaws; got it 18:06:56 JA: There was a back and forth between JA and JT earlier 18:08:33 JR: My point was that UA's might not know what actions are just highlighting-presentation 18:09:01 CL: State should be passed back to the DOM - so UA should know about state change 18:10:11 JA: IF I cause something to get focus...and that changes stylesheet...that's not necessarily a state change.... 18:10:53 PP: On linux there are events just to say text formatting has changed 18:11:19 JA: But things done by CSS don't show up in DOM? 18:12:38 CL: DOM is the browser's API 18:13:42 CL: But on Windows browsers of using both the DOM and MSAA to expose things to AT's 18:14:19 Action CL: Consult with Aaron L about 9.5 to ensure it is ok with AJAX. 18:17:55 JR: Describes how ATAG handles this -uses phrase "ensure that selection is separate from activation " 18:19:16 CL: HPR implementation did not take into account "highlighting" note 18:19:27 CL: Pop-up menus didn't come up etc 18:20:17 http://www.mozilla.org/access/dhtml/checkbox 18:20:19 CL: User informed of pop-up menu and the menu is shown when enter is pressed 18:20:21 http://www.mozilla.org/access/dhtml/checkbox 18:24:47 CL: There are tri-state controls 18:25:04 CL: There are also checkboxes in trees.... 18:28:14 JR: Not is untenable since UA doesn't know which these are ("Note: For instance, in this configuration for an HTML document, do not activate any handlers for the onfocus, onblur, or onchange attributes. In this configuration, user agents should still apply any stylistic changes (e.g., highlighting) that may occur when there is a change in content focus. 18:28:14 ") 18:29:05 JA: Example techs don't cover what note covers. 18:29:21 JA: But style changes are useful. 18:30:02 JA: How to you separate event activations from style activations 18:31:51 JA: Tested - use TAB to move to group - no change of state - but if down arrow it immediately moves selection. 18:32:30 JR: Which is a violation. 18:34:31 JR: What if we removed the note? And relied on the UA to draw its own highlighting? 18:35:18 JA,CL: Discuss how HTML radio buttons are organized into groups... 18:40:17 CL: Goal of DHTML is to have ontrols work the way they do in dialogs (eg one radio button always checked) not as in HTML (where initially you can have none checked) 18:40:57 JA: So where are we? 18:41:08 CL: Events on DHTML controls 18:43:30 JR: And the "note" remains problematic. 18:44:05 CL: UA looks at role attrib to know that a form control is such 18:44:36 Topic: 9.3 Move content focus (P1) 18:45:29 JA: Comments in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0014.html 18:45:47 JA: Tech5 - add "outline" property to the list 18:49:41 JR: We might want to add an example of a general-purpose hierarchy naviagation function. 18:50:11 JA: This will beome issue in XHTML2, where everything is a link etc. 18:51:13 CL: In HTML a link can have image and text that both go to the same place. 18:51:46 JA: In training tell people to do this. 18:51:57 CL: THis causes problems for UA. 18:53:14 JA: Have to be careful about text, alt text flow 18:56:06 JA: Also had "moving by headers" 18:57:15 JR: Also would like to split tech3 into two clauses 18:57:58 JA: Let's wrasp up - 9.4 next time 19:00:37 -cklaws 19:00:38 -Jan_Richards 19:00:40 -parente 19:00:40 -Jim_Allan 19:00:42 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended 19:00:44 Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, parente, cklaws 19:00:59 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:00:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-minutes.html JR 19:01:06 RRSAgent, set logs public 19:02:53 Zakim, bye 19:02:53 Zakim has left #ua 19:03:00 RRSAgent, bye 19:03:00 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-actions.rdf : 19:03:00 ACTION: CL to Consult with Aaron L about 9.5 to ensure it is ok with AJAX. [1] 19:03:00 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-ua-irc#T18-14-19