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GRDDL Weekly

25 Oct 2006

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Attendees

Present
DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, fgandon
Regrets
BenA, IanD, BrianS
Chair
Henry
Scribe
chimezie

Contents


 

 

Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-25T11:00-0400

<DanC> at least partia

<DanC> partial

<DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again 1 Nov 11aET, 16:00-17:30Z

<DanC> 18 Oct minutes

<DanC> scribe next week is DanC

RESOLUTION: Minutes from last meeting

<DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again 1 Nov 11aET, 16:00-17:30Z, DanC to scribe

Cross-document Introduction

<scribe> scribe: chimezie

GRDDL Spec: General issues

<DanC> agenda order is 3,4,5,67,2

<briansuda> it is slowly making its way through the microformats world too

DanC: notable - an article on microformats and URIs

<DanC> What is the problem I have with MicroFormats: there is no URI

<DanC> $ python testHarness.py --run ./gleanWrapper http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2005/grddl-ts/test-lists.rdf

<DanC> test details from Dom

chimezie: working on reference implementation and getting through test suites

HarryH: Issues with references to non-authoritative vocabularies in specification?

<HarryH> HarryH: Nevermind, apparentlyi it's authoritative

<danja> apologies for late arrival - I've still got to wrangle machines for phone

Murray: keep examples in spec (rather than in primer)

<fgandon> apologies for late arrival too - someone burnt my car a few days ago and I have to take care of a lot of insurance stuff...

Murray: seperate spec into normative and informative sections

<DanC> ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

Murray: GRDDL transform for the specification

what do you extract from the specification?

DanC: currently transforms to an ontology with a normative reference to FOAF

HarryH: definitions and terms should be the short term goal for the result of a transform on the specification

[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML

Murray: spec takes a stand, the issue is open

chimezie: we can devise test cases that show where an open output will fail and where it will work

Murray: waiting for feedback from community
... *will* need to check intelligently for unguided formats

<DanC> pending_tests += "be robust in the face of unknown serializations", "you may support turtle"

<scribe> ACTION: chimezie to develop test case to demonstrate both sides of the issue with #issue-output-formats [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

[#issue-mt-ns]

Murray: conversation was tabled for later. They were okay with this WG making a determination of processing order. Some members were alarmed

DanC: would like to see testcases for pipeline-specified order of processing or situation where there is no guaranateed order

Murray: Pipleline spec is a moving target

<DanC> pending_tests += "no, xinclude doesn't come for free in xslt", "yes, you can use XProc to say to do xinclude and XSLT"

<scribe> ACTION: Murray, DanC, chimezie to formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

ACTION, Murray, DanC, chimezie: formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform

<scribe> ACTION: Murray, DanC, chimezie formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

<DanC> ACTION:Iand to construct a content negotiation test case [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

<DanC> ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: conversation on formulating URIs for works of art for reference in an RDF graph ..

<HarryH> For next release, we could always use www.example.org URIs

[#issue-base-param]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to contribute hotel reviews for primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

<HarryH> Brian: Do you think we need more hotel reviews?

<DanC> (note on unfortuntate verbosity of RDF/XML Stand example noted in 1.145)

<briansuda> we just need something with hReviews

<briansuda> i can hear you Harry, just no mic

<HarryH> DanC - we'll just use hotel reviews

<DanC> Semantic Web Client Library

DanC: Semantic Web Client Library is worth looking into

http://esw.w3.org/topic/WebClosure

http://esw.w3.org/topic/FollowLinksForMoreInformation

http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/WebClosureSocialConvention

<HarryH> ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

Murray: With regards to real data on the web: putting up web data on a band. Possibility of writing reviews. Do we need these live examples? Need pointers to appropriate vocabularies

<briansuda> here's how to create hReviews: http://microformats.org/code/hreview/creator

<briansuda> XFN is here (http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/) FoaF is gleaned from that

<scribe> .. ongoing conversation on if this is needed ..

<scribe> .. ongoing conversation on additional advocacy, examples, etc ..

LinkedIn is one possibility

<briansuda> yes

http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=81 - LinkedIn supports microformats at last

<HarryH> tagsoup possibilities?

<DanC> ACTION: DanC to prepare slides on grddl-rules.n3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]

<HarryH> Possibilities of looking at n3 rules for GRDDL formalization?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chimezie to develop test case to demonstrate both sides of the issue with #issue-output-formats [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to contribute hotel reviews for primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to prepare slides on grddl-rules.n3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Murray, DanC, chimezie formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Murray, DanC, chimezie to formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: Iand to construct a content negotiation test case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
 
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