IRC log of grddl-wg on 2006-10-25

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14:58:48 [DanC]
Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
14:58:48 [Zakim]
working on it, DanC
14:58:49 [Zakim]
agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-25T11:00-0400
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agendum 1 added
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agenda+ Cross-document Introduction
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agendum 2 added
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agenda+ GRDDL Spec: General issues
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agendum 3 added
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agenda+ [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
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agendum 4 added
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agenda+ [#issue-mt-ns]
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agendum 5 added
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agenda+ [#issue-base-param]
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agendum 6 added
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agenda+ Primer Document pending edits
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agendum 7 added
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done reading agenda, DanC
15:00:41 [DanC]
Zakim, this is grddl
15:00:41 [Zakim]
DanC, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be grddl".
15:00:46 [DanC]
Zakim, this will be grddl
15:00:46 [Zakim]
ok, DanC; I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started
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+DanC
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+??P12
15:01:24 [DanC]
Zakim, ??P12 is HarryH
15:01:25 [HarryH]
Zakim, ??P12 is Harry
15:01:25 [Zakim]
+HarryH; got it
15:01:26 [Zakim]
I already had ??P12 as HarryH, HarryH
15:02:31 [Zakim]
+Chimezie_Ogbuji
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+Murray_Maloney
15:02:47 [DanC]
Zakim, take up item 1
15:02:47 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-25T11:00-0400" taken up
15:03:28 [DanC]
Regrets: BenA, IanD, BrianS
15:03:30 [DanC]
at least partia
15:03:32 [DanC]
partial
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15:05:40 [HarryH]
Zakim, who is on the phone
15:05:42 [DanC]
PROPOSED: to meet again 1 Nov 11aET, 16:00-17:30Z
15:05:48 [HarryH]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:50 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', HarryH
15:05:58 [Zakim]
On the phone I see DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney
15:05:58 [HarryH]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:08 [Zakim]
On the phone I see DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney
15:06:16 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
15:06:22 [briansuda]
Zakim, +[IPCaller] is briansuda
15:06:31 [briansuda]
Zakim, +[IPcaller] is briansuda
15:06:34 [Zakim]
sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPCaller]'
15:06:44 [Zakim]
sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:07:11 [briansuda]
Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:07:11 [Zakim]
+briansuda; got it
15:07:43 [HarryH]
Zakim, pick scribe
15:07:43 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'pick scribe', HarryH
15:07:45 [DanC]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Oct/att-0052/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html 18 Oct minutes
15:07:52 [HarryH]
Zakim, pick a scribe?
15:07:52 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, HarryH.
15:08:02 [DanC]
Zakim, pick a scribe
15:08:02 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:08:23 [DanC]
Zakim, pick a scribe
15:08:23 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
15:08:27 [chimezie]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:08:27 [Zakim]
On the phone I see DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney, briansuda
15:08:45 [DanC]
scribe next week is DanC
15:09:07 [chimezie]
RESOLVED: Minutes from last meeting
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RESOLVED: to meet again 1 Nov 11aET, 16:00-17:30Z, DanC to scribe
15:09:33 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
15:09:33 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Cross-document Introduction" taken up
15:09:38 [chimezie]
scribe: chimezie
15:09:58 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
15:09:58 [Zakim]
agendum 2 was just opened, HarryH
15:10:03 [HarryH]
Zakim, close item
15:10:03 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close item', HarryH
15:10:08 [DanC]
Zakim, take up item 3
15:10:08 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
15:10:24 [DanC]
agenda order is 3,4,5,67,2
15:10:58 [briansuda]
it is slowly making its way through the microformats world too
15:11:36 [fgandon]
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15:11:41 [chimezie]
DanC: notable - an article on microformats and URIs
15:12:05 [DanC]
-> http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php?title=what_is_the_problem_i_have_with_microfor&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 What is the problem I have with MicroFormats: there is no URI
15:12:40 [Zakim]
+??P4
15:13:03 [HarryH]
Zakim, +??P4 is fgandon
15:13:03 [Zakim]
sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4'
15:13:03 [DanC]
$ python testHarness.py --run ./gleanWrapper http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2005/grddl-ts/test-lists.rdf
15:13:12 [HarryH]
Zakim, ??P4 is fgandon
15:13:12 [Zakim]
+fgandon; got it
15:13:19 [DanC]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0100.html test details from Dom
15:13:46 [chimezie]
chimezie: working on reference implementation and getting through test suites
15:14:42 [chimezie]
HarryH: Issues with references to non-authoritative vocabularies in specification?
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HarryH: Nevermind, apparentlyi it's authoritative
15:15:27 [danja]
apologies for late arrival - I've still got to wrangle machines for phone
15:16:10 [chimezie]
Murray: keep examples in spec (rather than in primer)
15:16:58 [fgandon]
apologies for late arrival too - someone burnt my car a few days ago and I have to take care of a lot of insurance stuff...
15:17:01 [chimezie]
Murray: seperate spec into normative and informative sections
15:17:12 [DanC]
ACTION DanC: create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec
15:17:36 [chimezie]
Murray: GRDDL transform for the specification
15:18:36 [chimezie]
what do you extract from the specification?
15:19:05 [chimezie]
DanC: currently transforms to an ontology with a normative reference to FOAF
15:19:23 [chimezie]
HarryH: definitions and terms should be the short term goal for the result of a transform on the specification
15:20:27 [HarryH]
Zakim, close item
15:20:28 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close item', HarryH
15:20:32 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
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-briansuda
15:21:07 [chimezie]
Murray: spec takes a stand, the issue is open
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15:23:45 [chimezie]
chimezie: we can devise test cases that show where an open output will fail and where it will work
15:24:21 [chimezie]
Murray: waiting for feedback from community
15:24:42 [chimezie]
Murray: *will* need to check intelligently for unguided formats
15:25:30 [DanC]
pending_tests += "be robust in the face of unknown serializations", "you may support turtle"
15:26:01 [chimezie]
ACTION chimezie: develop test case to demonstrate both sides of the issue with #issue-output-formats
15:26:13 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
15:27:43 [chimezie]
Murray: conversation was tabled for later. They were okay with this WG making a determination of processing order. Some members were alarmed
15:28:58 [chimezie]
DanC: would like to see testcases for pipeline-specified order of processing or situation where there is no guaranateed order
15:29:12 [chimezie]
Murray: Pipleline spec is a moving target
15:30:32 [DanC]
pending_tests += "no, xinclude doesn't come for free in xslt", "yes, you can use XProc to say to do xinclude and XSLT"
15:31:24 [chimezie]
ACTION Murray, DanC, chimezie: formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform
15:31:43 [chimezie]
ACTION, Murray, DanC, chimezie: formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform
15:31:54 [chimezie]
ACTION: Murray, DanC, chimezie formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform
15:35:17 [DanC]
ACTION:Iand to construct a content negotiation test case [CONTINUES]
15:35:27 [DanC]
ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES]
15:37:27 [DanC]
agenda + Semantic Web Client Library
15:38:14 [chimezie]
.. conversation on formulating URIs for works of art for reference in an RDF graph ..
15:39:38 [HarryH]
For next release, we could always use www.example.org URIs
15:39:47 [HarryH]
Zakim, next item
15:39:47 [Zakim]
I only see 8 items on the agenda
15:40:04 [HarryH]
Zakim, item 6
15:40:05 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'item 6', HarryH
15:40:08 [HarryH]
Zakim, open item 6
15:40:08 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up
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+[IPcaller]
15:40:48 [briansuda]
Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:40:48 [Zakim]
+briansuda; got it
15:41:00 [HarryH]
zakim, next item
15:41:01 [Zakim]
agendum 6 was just opened, HarryH
15:42:08 [chimezie]
ACTION DanC: contribute hotel reviews for primer
15:42:11 [HarryH]
Brian: Do you think we need ore hotel reviews?
15:42:18 [HarryH]
s/ore/more
15:42:34 [DanC]
(note on unfortuntate verbosity of RDF/XML Stand example noted in 1.145)
15:42:37 [briansuda]
we just need something with hReviews
15:42:44 [briansuda]
i can hear you Harry, just no mic
15:43:08 [HarryH]
DanC - we'll just use hotel reviews
15:43:40 [DanC]
-> http://sites.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/ng4j/semwebclient/ Semantic Web Client Library
15:43:49 [chimezie]
DanC: Semantic Web Client Library is worth looking into
15:45:55 [chimezie]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/WebClosure
15:46:31 [chimezie]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/FollowLinksForMoreInformation
15:47:38 [chimezie]
http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/WebClosureSocialConvention
15:47:58 [HarryH]
ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data
15:48:28 [DanC]
agenda?
15:49:24 [chimezie]
Murray: With regards to real data on the web: putting up web data on a band. Possibility of writing reviews. Do we need these live examples? Need pointers to appropriate vocabularies
15:50:08 [briansuda]
here's how to create hReviews: http://microformats.org/code/hreview/creator
15:50:24 [briansuda]
XFN is here (http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/) FoaF is gleaned from that
15:51:38 [chimezie]
.. ongoing conversation on if this is needed ..
15:55:06 [chimezie]
.. ongoing conversation on additional advocacy, examples, etc ..
15:56:13 [chimezie]
LinkedIn is one possibility
15:56:49 [briansuda]
yes
15:56:51 [chimezie]
http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=81 - LinkedIn supports microformats at last
15:58:18 [HarryH]
tagsoup possibilities?
15:59:27 [DanC]
ACTION DanC: prepare slides on grddl-rules.n3
16:00:00 [HarryH]
Possibilities of looking at n3 rules for GRDDL formalization?
16:00:09 [DanC]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:09 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:01:21 [DanC]
RRSAgent, make logs world-access
16:01:27 [DanC]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:27 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:01:53 [Zakim]
-Chimezie_Ogbuji
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-HarryH
16:02:00 [DanC]
Meeting: GRDDL Weekly
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-fgandon
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-briansuda
16:02:07 [DanC]
Zakim, list attendees
16:02:15 [DanC]
Chair: Henry
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-Murray_Maloney
16:02:38 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, fgandon
16:02:49 [DanC]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:03:22 [Zakim]
-DanC
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SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, fgandon
16:04:34 [DanC]
ok, chime, that looks pretty good. edit out the diagnostic info at the bottom and attach it to mail to the WG. http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html
16:04:40 [DanC]
odd... I'm getting slow HTTP response
16:13:50 [chimezie]
alrighty..
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