WS Policy WG (editor's call) -- 11 Oct 2006

<prasad> Chair: Prasad

<prasad> Meeting: WS_Policy(editors)

<fsasaki> today's WG meeting minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-ws-policy-minutes.html

<dorchard> bio break for maryann

<fsasaki> :)

<prasad> Toufic was to do the minutes but, he has network problems. I guess I will take them myself

<prasad> Scribe: Prasad

<maryann> scribe Nick: maryann

<scribe> Scribe: maryann

<fsasaki> scribeNick: maryann

administrative

for next week....

prasad: next week Dave and Prasad at WS-I

felix: out next week as well

prasad: suggestion to cancel next weeks call

maryann: do we want to resched? if we have to publish working drafts?

felix: i'll take care of the publication of the primer document

prasad: we'll handle all other issues by email
... so David to chair on the 25th

maryann: I will send regrets for the 25th and Nov 1 ( i'll be on vacation)

open Actions

<prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/open

prasad: maryann, so I checked in the change
... we should close the AI then

that was action item 1

felix: did you put it in the changelog?

maryann: yes

Action 12

prasad: this is Asir's so we'll leave it pending

Action 32

dave: action is straightforward, but i have some trepidations
... this might make the spec unreadable if we blindly replace all the definitions....
... if we replace all the uses of the term with the termref

prasad: most people will understand the definitions after the first few definition

<dorchard> Applied in the Web services model, policy is used to convey conditions on an interaction between two Web service endpoints. Satisfying assertions in the policy usually results in behavior that reflects these conditions. Typically, the provider of a Web service exposes a policy to convey conditions under which it provides the service. A requester might use this policy to decide whether or not to use the service. A requester may choose any alternative

so dave I agree, i found the same issue when I made the change to policy subject

we could just randomly string together the definitions :-)

prasad: if this is really done, its a perpetual working item

dave: i wonder how many times just the word "policy" exists in the spec

prasad: so this is a totally open item

dave: i can mark up a couple of paragraphs to illustrate the issue
... and then we can reconfirm with the working group

felix: alternatively we could do the first mention in each section

dave: that is kind of what was done in 4.2

felix: maybe we should point this out to the WG and see what they say

prasad: yes

yes

dave: ok i will do that then

prasad: what's the impact then on the working drafts update?
... done?

dave: yes

<scribe> TOPIC : ACtion 50

dave: i can do that in the next day or two
... end of day thursday

<prasad> Dave: We don't want to hold up the ED drafts for AI 32

Action 43

so at the last call we said i should ask the editors list for help

and no one responded

<fsasaki> mail from maryann http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Oct/0021.html

so i propose we close the AI with no change required

ok so i will close this one

<scribe> TOPIC : Action 44

prasad: i will do this this week
... editor draft not affected

Action 45

so this one was done

and i put the change in changelog

prasad: so we're done with existing action items
... no new actions on the editors
... action on felix to publish primer with status section
... so after dave checks in his fixes, for 3720, we are ready to go
... felix, can you help us generate a new working group
... we want to generate the diffs and make a new working group version

felix: put a new tag

prasad: so we just send the cvs version? and once the WG approves it , then we tag it?

felix: yes

<fsasaki> ant diff

so let me see if i understand.....

what do we need to do?

prasad: so we need to generate diffs

what is the changelog?

prasad: so in the doc we have an appendix that has the changes

<prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html

<prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html#change-description

prasad: so we need to summarize the changes since the last working draft was accepted

<fsasaki> last approved draft is at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html?only_with_tag=Approved-as-Second-Public-Working-Draft

prasad: need to replace Appendix c with new text
... Appendix C in framework

<prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-attachment.html#change-description

prasad: Appendix D in attachments
... and we don't have this section in the primer
... so we need to include the new conformance section as part of the "substantive" changes

<fsasaki> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-attachment.html?only_with_tag=Approved-as-Second-Public-Working-Draft

prasad: two changes by asir and toufic
... WSDL 2.0 is substantive
... toufic change not substantive

dave: change to explain use of reference is probably substantive too
... i will update mine in the section

<prasad> Created 5. WS-Policy Attachment for WSDL 2.0 per action item 2 from the Bellevue F2F. This section is based on a contribution from BEA, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle.

prasad: can you add asirs too?

dave: yes

prasad: namespace URI versioning is probably substantive

<prasad> Completed action item: 23 for issue 3617, Namespace URI versioning Policy is not clear

is updating the security policy substantive?

we could include it?

<prasad> Completed action item: 33 for issue 3672, Clarify the policy model for Web Services.

so prasad can you update the section with mine?

prasad: yes

<prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/31

so i would just call out the major ones

prasad: clarify the namespace versioning, the web services policy section, yes

<prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/24

<prasad> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3662

prasad: call out extensibility as a significant change

<prasad> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0038.html

so i would call this one out since many people commented on it

prasad: we probably need to review with the editors team
... i'll take an action to send a note to editors to ask for comments on section which will call out substantive changes

<scribe> ACTION: prasad to send out mail once changes have been committed by Dave [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - to send out mail once changes have been committed by Dave [on Prasad Yendluri - due 2006-10-18].

<prasad> Dave doing the Atachment doc changes section (appendix D)

prasad will complete changes to framework doc

<prasad> Prasad is doing the Changes since section in Policy Fwk Doc

prasad: will then update Section C and send mail to editors to review before posting to WG

STATUS of editors drafts

prasad: dave and prasad to complete editorial items
... to update section C with substative changes propsal

dave to update sction D with substantive changes to proposal

prasad to send note to editors to review section

prasad to generate diffs

if no editor concerns then prasad to send note to working group to ask for review of this editor version

maryann: no call next week

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WS Policy WG (editor's call)

11 Oct 2006

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