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17:54:40 <fsasaki> meeting: WS Policy WG (editor's call)
17:55:26 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Oct/0042.html
17:55:37 <fsasaki> chair: Prasad
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18:02:29 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has now started
18:02:36 <Zakim> +Prasad_Yendluri
18:02:43 <Zakim> +DOrchard
18:02:59 <Zakim> +Felix
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18:04:21 <prasad> Chair: Prasad
18:04:43 <prasad> Meeting: WS_Policy(editors)
18:05:01 <fsasaki>  today's WG meeting minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-ws-policy-minutes.html
18:05:01 <prasad> rrsagent, make logs public visible
18:05:01 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs public visible', prasad.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:05:11 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
18:08:15 <dorchard> bio break for maryann
18:08:22 <fsasaki> :)
18:10:32 <prasad> Toufic was to do the minutes but, he has network problems. I guess I will take them myself
18:11:43 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
18:12:13 <prasad> Scribe: Prasad
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18:13:58 <maryann> scribe Nick: maryann
18:14:05 <prasad> Scribe: maryann
18:14:12 <fsasaki> scribeNick: maryann
18:14:25 <maryann> TOPIC: administrative
18:14:44 <prasad> Present: DaveO, Felix, Maryann, Prasad
18:14:57 <fsasaki> regrets: Asir, Toufic
18:15:00 <maryann> TOPIC: for next week....
18:16:08 <maryann> prasad: next week Dave and Prasad at WS-I
18:16:24 <maryann> felix:  out next week as well
18:16:37 <maryann> prasad: suggestion to cancel next weeks call
18:16:54 <maryann> maryann: do we want to resched? if we have to publish working drafts?
18:17:04 <maryann> felix: i'll take care of the publication
18:17:14 <maryann> prasad: we'll handle all other issues by email
18:17:21 <fsasaki> s/publication/publication of the primer document/
18:17:47 <maryann> prasad: so David to chair on the 25th
18:18:37 <maryann> maryann: I will send regrets for the 25th and Nov 1 ( i'll be on vacation)
18:18:44 <maryann> TOPIC: open Actions
18:18:46 <prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/open
18:19:54 <maryann> prasad: maryann, so I checked in the change
18:20:05 <maryann> prasad: we should close the AI then
18:20:24 <maryann> that was action item 1
18:20:45 <maryann> felix: did you put it in the changelog?
18:20:48 <maryann> maryann: yes
18:21:01 <maryann> TOPIC: Action 12
18:21:15 <maryann> prasad: this is Asir's so we'll leave it pending
18:21:25 <maryann> TOPIC: Action 32 
18:21:42 <maryann> dave: action is straightforward, but i have some trepidations
18:22:18 <maryann> dave: this might make the spec unreadable if we blindly replace all the definitions....
18:22:46 <maryann> dave: if we replace all the uses of the term with the termref
18:23:20 <maryann> prasad: most people will understand the definitions after the first definition
18:23:41 <maryann> s/first/first few/
18:24:40 <dorchard> Applied in the Web services model, policy is used to convey conditions on an interaction between two Web service endpoints. Satisfying assertions in the policy usually results in behavior that reflects these conditions. Typically, the provider of a Web service exposes a policy to convey conditions under which it provides the service. A requester might use this policy to decide whether or not to use the service. A requester may choose any alternative 
18:24:45 <maryann> so dave I agree, i found the same issue when I made the change to policy subject
18:25:19 <maryann> we could just randomly string together the definitions :-)
18:25:51 <maryann> prasad: if this is really done, its a perpetual working item
18:26:13 <maryann> dave: i wonder how many times just the word "policy" exists in the spec
18:26:34 <maryann> prasad: so this is a totally open item
18:26:48 <maryann> dave: i can mark up a couple of paragraphs to illustrate the issue
18:27:03 <maryann> dave: and then we can reconfirm with the working group
18:27:20 <maryann> felix: alternatively we could do the first mention in each section
18:27:32 <maryann> dave: that is kind of what was done in 4.2
18:28:12 <maryann> felix: maybe we should point this out to the WG and see what they say
18:28:18 <maryann> prasad: yes
18:28:22 <maryann> yes
18:28:31 <maryann> dave: ok i will do that then
18:28:58 <maryann> prasad: what's the impact then on the working drafts update?
18:29:14 <maryann> prasad: done?
18:29:17 <maryann> dave:yes
18:29:36 <maryann> TOPIC : ACtion 50
18:29:49 <maryann> dave: i can do that in the next day or two
18:29:59 <maryann> dave: end of day thursday
18:30:06 <prasad> Dave: We don't want to hold up te ED drafts for AI 32
18:30:29 <maryann> TOPIC: Action 43
18:30:40 <prasad> s/te/the/
18:31:14 <maryann> so at the last call we said i should ask the editors list for help
18:31:18 <maryann> and no one responded
18:31:42 <fsasaki> mail from maryann http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Oct/0021.html
18:32:43 <maryann> so i propose we close the AI with no change required
18:33:02 <maryann> ok so i will close this one
18:33:20 <maryann> TOPIC : Action 44
18:33:31 <maryann> prasad: i will do this this week
18:33:41 <maryann> prasad: editor draft not affected
18:33:55 <maryann> TOPIC: Action 45
18:34:19 <maryann> so this one was done
18:34:26 <maryann> and i put the change in changelog
18:34:46 <maryann> prasad: so we're done with existing action items
18:34:56 <maryann> prasad: no new actions on the editors
18:35:12 <maryann> prasad: action on felix to publish primer with status section
18:35:37 <maryann> prasad: so after dave checks in his fixes, for 3720, we are ready to go
18:36:06 <maryann> prasad: felix, can you help us generate a new working group 
18:36:36 <maryann> prasad: we want to generate the diffs and make a new working group version
18:36:44 <maryann> felix: put a new tag
18:37:06 <maryann> prasad: so we just send the cvs version? and once the WG approves it , then we tag it?
18:37:13 <maryann> felix: yes
18:37:30 <fsasaki> ant diff
18:38:18 <maryann> so let me see if i understand.....
18:38:43 <maryann> what do we need to do?
18:39:03 <maryann> prasad: so we need to generate diffs
18:39:22 <maryann> what is the changelog?
18:39:44 <maryann> prasad: so in the doc we have an appendix that has the changes
18:39:58 <prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html
18:40:15 <prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html#change-description
18:41:01 <maryann> prasad: so we need to summarize the changes since the last working draft was accepted
18:41:28 <fsasaki> last approved draft is at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html?only_with_tag=Approved-as-Second-Public-Working-Draft
18:41:32 <maryann> prasad: need to replace Appendix c with new text
18:41:52 <maryann> prasad : Appendix C in framework
18:42:00 <prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-attachment.html#change-description
18:42:05 <maryann> prasad : Appendix D in attachments
18:44:09 <maryann> prasad: and we don't have this section in the primer
18:45:51 <maryann> prasad: so we need to include the new conformance section as part of the "substantive" changes
18:46:03 <fsasaki> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-attachment.html?only_with_tag=Approved-as-Second-Public-Working-Draft
18:47:22 <maryann> prasad: two changes by asir and toufic
18:47:37 <maryann> prasad: WSDL 2.0 is substantive
18:47:51 <maryann> prasad: toufic change not substantive
18:49:10 <maryann> dave: change to explain use of reference is probably substantive too
18:49:32 <maryann> dave: i will update mine in the section
18:49:34 <prasad> Created 5. WS-Policy Attachment for WSDL 2.0 per action item 2 from the Bellevue F2F. This section is based on a contribution from BEA, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle.
18:49:42 <maryann> prasad: can you add asirs too?
18:49:44 <Zakim> -DOrchard
18:49:54 <maryann> dave: yes
18:51:03 <maryann> prasad: namespace URI versioning is probably substantive
18:51:10 <prasad> Completed action item: 23  for issue 3617, Namespace URI versioning Policy is not clear
18:51:16 <maryann> is updating the security policy substantive?
18:51:19 <maryann> we could include it?
18:51:41 <prasad> Completed action item: 33  for issue 3672, Clarify the policy model for Web Services.
18:52:34 <maryann> so prasad can you update the section with mine?
18:52:38 <maryann> prasad: yes
18:53:27 <prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/31
18:54:39 <maryann> so i would just call out the major ones
18:55:35 <maryann> prasad: clarify the namespace versioning, the web services policy section, yes
18:56:08 <prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/24
18:56:57 <prasad> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3662
18:57:18 <maryann> prasad:  call out extensibility as a significant change
18:58:04 <prasad> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0038.html
18:58:39 <maryann> so i would call this one out since many people commented on it
19:00:08 <maryann> prasad: we probably need to review with the editors team
19:00:40 <maryann> prasad: i'll take an action to send a note to editors to ask for comments on section which will call out substantive changes
19:01:06 <maryann> ACTION: prasad  to send out mail once changes have been committed by Dave
19:01:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-52 -  to send out mail once changes have been committed by Dave [on Prasad Yendluri - due 2006-10-18].
19:01:21 <maryann> rrsagent, where am I?
19:01:21 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-ws-policy-eds-irc#T19-01-21
19:01:59 <prasad> Dave doing the Atachment doc changes section (appendix D)
19:02:38 <maryann> prasad will complete changes to framework doc
19:02:39 <prasad> Prasad id doing the Changes since section in Policy Fwk Doc
19:02:46 <prasad> s/id/is/
19:03:08 <maryann> prasad: will then update Section C and send mail to editors to review before posting to WG
19:04:22 <maryann> TOPIC: STATUS of editors drafts
19:04:42 <maryann> prasad: dave and prasad to complete editorial items
19:04:59 <maryann> prasad: to update section C with substative changes propsal
19:05:17 <maryann> dave to update sction D with substantive changes to proposal
19:05:35 <maryann> prasad to send note to editors to review section
19:05:40 <maryann> prasad to generate diffs
19:06:13 <maryann> if no editor concerns then prasad to send note to working group to ask for review of this editor version
19:06:34 <maryann> maryann: no call next week
19:07:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html fsasaki
19:07:21 <Zakim> -Prasad_Yendluri
19:07:23 <Zakim> -maryann
19:07:23 <Zakim> -Felix
19:07:24 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has ended
19:07:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Prasad_Yendluri, DOrchard, Felix, [IBMCambridge], maryann
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