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<scribe> Scribe: JR
JA: XHTML 2.0 new draft released...
<jallan> XHTML 2 draft http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml2-20060726/
JA: Lots of references to what
user agents should and shouldn't do
... SUggest other gtoup members should review it
CL: Asked about a F2F
JA: Maybe in Boston in January as part of some W3C thing
JA: Just a point...there are no P1's for this guideline
<jallan> ACTION: JA include no P1 comments in Guideline 5 on issues chart [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<jallan> UAAG techniques Guideline 5 http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10-TECHS/uaag10-tech.html#gl-user-control-ui
<jallan> techniques are not about configuration.
PP: What about when focus moves in same viewport
JR: Some techs refer to situations diff that checkpoint calls for
CL: These aren't what people do...e.g. when new window opens it gets focus rather than not getting focus and showing an alert.
JA: Example tech would be extension to broser to do pop-up blocking
CL: THinks #1 is fine
... But default should be to move focus
... ex. popup to enter ID and password
... Need to clarify what is a duplicate view (#3)
<jallan> tech #3, duplicate browser instances (2 browsers), or HPR 2 views (graphic and text), as in a spreadsheet split view
JA: Mentions "Open in New Broswer" feature.
JR: IE already does the duplicate
stuff as asked
... Maybe make distinction between duplicate and split
JA & JR: Read duplicate stuff as relevant because even though content focus has changed it is to the same point in a twinned doc
JA: #4 is a note
... #5 is HTML4 specific
... Also what about frames....eg. in nav frame select link...if new content is brought up, focus should move to new stuff
... So this is "explicit user request"
Viewport includes windows, frames, pieces of paper
JA: We should put note about frames in ex 1.
<jallan> ACTION: JA: write note about frames for technique 1 in 5.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<jallan> JR: is this something that is controled by the OS
JR: What if other viewport is in another app
<jallan> various applications have the feature "stay on top", what happens when several application use "stay on top", this seems to be an OS negotialtion issue
JA: We are only talking about user agent app viewports
<scribe> ACTION: JR to Write note for 5.2 clarifying that this covers only the user agent app. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html#action03]
JR: How does this handle isblank?
CL: HPR assumes that clicking on a link is an explit request
JR: So maybe a note needed to say its ok to open new viewport for the URL of the link...but not any other on_load viewports
<scribe> ACTION: JR to Write note for 5.3 clarifying that new viewport is ok on selecting link if the URL is the same [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<jallan> ACTION: JA: modifier key technique [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html#action05]
JA: In page links...page should
shift but focus must as well.
... Would like to see this scenario addressed.
CL: Prob is that browser can't move focus to things that can't take focus
JA: In IE there are some ways to
get around...eg into table cell
... SHould we explicity note that we expect focus to follow internal navigation - "point of regard"
<jallan> ACTION: JA: 5.4 point of regard (in page focus) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html#action06]
JR: Everything is forms in Webv apps.
JA: Thinks we should add not
about "ENTER" being a problem
... Maybe also clarify that it is when pressing ENTER from somewhere that is not a button - e.g. a textbox
<jallan> 5.5 give example of form configuration 'enter on submit' is ok,
<jallan> ACTION: JA: example configuration for enter - form submission [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html#action07]
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