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Comment LC-758

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Commenter: Jessica Enders <jessicae@hiser.com.au> on behalf of The Hiser Group

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeIntroduction Related Documents Authoring tools The Role of User Agents The Four Principles of Accessibility Important New Terms Used in WCAG 2.0 Conformance Technology assumptions and the "baseline" Conformance levels and the baseline Conformance claims Content that conforms to WCAG 1.0 How to refer to WCAG 2.0 from other documents Guideline 1.1 Success Criterion 1.1.1 Guideline 1.2 Success Criterion 1.2.1 Success Criterion 1.2.2 Success Criterion 1.2.3 Success Criterion 1.2.4 Success Criterion 1.2.5 Success Criterion 1.2.6 Success Criterion 1.2.7 Guideline 1.3 Success Criterion 1.3.1 Success Criterion 1.3.2 Success Criterion 1.3.3 Success Criterion 1.3.4 Success Criterion 1.3.5 Guideline 1.4 Success Criterion 1.4.1 Success Criterion 1.4.2 Success Criterion 1.4.3 Success Criterion 1.4.4 Guideline 2.1 Success Criterion 2.1.1 Success Criterion 2.1.2 Guideline 2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.1 Success Criterion 2.2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.3 Success Criterion 2.2.4 Success Criterion 2.2.5 Success Criterion 2.2.6 Guideline 2.3 Success Criterion 2.3.1 Success Criterion 2.3.2 Guideline 2.4 Success Criterion 2.4.1 Success Criterion 2.4.2 Success Criterion 2.4.3 Success Criterion 2.4.4 Success Criterion 2.4.5 Success Criterion 2.4.6 Success Criterion 2.4.7 Success Criterion 2.4.8 Guideline 2.5 Success Criterion 2.5.1 Success Criterion 2.5.2 Success Criterion 2.5.3 Success Criterion 2.5.4 Guideline 3.1 Success Criterion 3.1.1 Success Criterion 3.1.2 Success Criterion 3.1.3 Success Criterion 3.1.4 Success Criterion 3.1.5 Success Criterion 3.1.6 Guideline 3.2 Success Criterion 3.2.1 Success Criterion 3.2.2 Success Criterion 3.2.3 Success Criterion 3.2.4 Success Criterion 3.2.5 Guideline 4.1 Success Criterion 4.1.1 Success Criterion 4.1.2 Guideline 4.2 Success Criterion 4.2.1 Success Criterion 4.2.2 Success Criterion 4.2.3 Success Criterion 4.2.4 Appendix A: Glossary Appendix B: Checklist Appendix C: Acknowledgements Appendix D: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Appendix E: References
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In the previous version of these guidelines there was a very specific criterion regarding placement of labels and their associated fields (10.2). There doesn\'t seem to be any mention of this in the current guidelines, yet I would have thought that placement significantly impacts on accessibility. For example, a screen reader experience with a label to the left of a field versus to the right would be quite different.

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Suggest the ideal orientation of labels in reference to their associated fields, based on your knowledge of screen readers and related mechanisms people with disabilities use to navigate through forms.

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WG Notes: [TEAMC] July 17 - updated with suggestions from Michael to reference the WCAG 1.0 to 2.0 mapping. Michael also suggests an advisory technique under 3.2 (if not a specific SC about labelling form controls). Discussed in the 20 July 2006 telecon: Resolution: Refer LC-758 back to committee to ask Gez to better describe how labels should be correctly prositioned in a testable fashion. http://www.w3.org/2006/07/20-wai-wcag-minutes.html July 21: Sent the following: Hi, Gez, In the Team C survey for the July 20 WCAG meeting [1] You had concerns about the proposal to resolve WCAG issue LC-758. Others agree that perhaps there should be a success criterion or at least an advisory technique about label placement so I have been asked to contact you for more details. Can you provide a description of how labels should be correctly positioned that is testable and also accounts for reading order differences? A proposal for success criterion text or at least a description that can be used for an advisory technique would be most appreciated. thanks, -becky [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060718_teamc/results [2] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=758 July 24. Gez couldn't reach Becky via email so he posted to the WCAG list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0063.html Discussed in the 07 September 2006 telecon: resolution: close 758 as revised action: bruce and Michael to put notes in working group wiki for the advisory techniqe .. “Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationship http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/09/07-wai-wcag-minutes.html {partial accept} DONE add an advisory technique titled, "Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationships" to HTM 1.3.1 and Guideline 3.2. Internal WD updated 7 September. Response from commenter: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2007May/0127.html

Resolution: Assistive technology has advanced since the WCAG 1.0 guidelines were released. As long as the label is explicitly associated with a field, the assistive technologies can present the information to the user in an understandable manner. A technique which describes how to associate labels with fields already exists, see, H44: Using label elements to associate text labels with form controls. However, since visual positioning can be important, especially for pages translated into other languages, we have added an advisory technique to Success Criterion 1.3.1 and Guideline 3.2 titled "Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationships." In addition, the Comparison of WCAG 1.0 to 2.0 document provides some information about where the label requirement exists in WCAG 2.0.

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