W3C

i18n core working group

24 Jan 2006

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Felix, Francois, Karunesh, Mary, Richard, Vijay
Regrets
Chair
Francois
Scribe
Felix

Contents


css selectors review

felix: discussion on namespace binding and other topics, ongoing

ws i18n

mary: put comments from IBM and MS on comments page
... worked on how ws i18n and Java implementation alignment

<fyergeau> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-i18n-comments/2006Jan/0006.html

Mary: Most important is how this relates to policy
... what we are specifying through policy, and what directly
... I spend the night working on the security ws policy document (100 of pages!)

action items

http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ltru/current/msg04350.html

<scribe> ACTION: all to look at new comments from QT on charmod norm (PENDING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: felix to find a stable uri to bcp47, rather than point to RFC 3066 (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]

ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/bcp/bcp47.txt

francois: I am worried about this address
... it is hard to find if you have no pointer

<fyergeau> CSS does do matching, so it would not be enough to cite the non-matching part of RFC 3066bis. We need to know more on the status of RFC 3066bis in general.

<scribe> ACTION: felix to summarize RFC 3066bis and to contact Adisson and Mark on this [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: ACTION: felix to put bidi mirror on review radar(DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: continue the discussion of open topics next week (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]

<r12a-tax-rtn> http://www.w3.org/International/core/reviews

francois: as a wg, we don't have to tackle this
... so let's drop this (on the 30rth, at the end of the deadline)

<scribe> ACTION: felix to ask addison for preparations for meetings with ws folks (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to contact Moataz about HP replacement and TP (ONGOING) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]

<scribe> ACTION: francois to go through http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-i18n-comments/2005Dec/0003.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]

<scribe> ACTION: francois to review the proposal is to eliminate overriding of bidi mirroring (DROPPED) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]

getting feedback on first letter

<r12a-tax-rtn> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/?p=40

ri: this blog asks for feedback on first letter
... if you are happy with this, I would send this out to www-international
... and other lists

Francois: good idea

felix: +1

francois: the question is if there is some tradition of its usage
... if there is no usage tradition, we don't have to dam css to have this feature

ri: I have changed the first thing you mentioned, will change the rest later

karunseh: as for indic languages, the first character does not have specific style
... in your example, the first character is a vowel sign, and it does normally not have a specific styling

ri: if you have "A ACUTE", that is fine
... if you have "A" plus "ACUTE", that are two characters
... that is why we proposed grapheme clusters to css
... as for indic languages, the first syllable might be a different unit
... but you are saying that both character or syllable might not be useful for Indic, right?

Karunesh: Yes

Francois: the blog will help tremendously to decide what has to be done

cdf review http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/0601-cdf/

<karunesh> felix,richard: we have few more points to discussed with you after the call regarding indic languages

<r12a-tax-rtn> ok karunesh

IDL mechanisms are the meat of the specs: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-CDR-20051219/#idl-definitions

ri: spelling error for pishing

comment 2

francois: agreed

comment 4

ri: you can't make a mandatory feature
... only if the document supports IRIs

francois: agreed

comment 5

francois: If you ask an SVG document about language information
... and the doc. is inside an HTML document
... the xml:lang in the HTML applies to the SVG as well
... it seems that the compounding specs should say
... you should get the same results for both inclusion and reference

felix: I reformulate that comment in that sense

francois: if it works for DOM in general, it should work for language too
... or xml:space

ri: or dir

francois: mention xml:space as well

comment 6

ri: the same thing as comment 5, right?

francois: drop this

ri: write in a note that character encoding is not an issue, because it is all xml and DOM. If not, please pay attention

comment 7

francois: the same as 4

comment 10

francois: drop that

richard: in general, it might be good to have several tables for the review

karunesh: I will make more examples and send them to you

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: felix to summarize RFC 3066bis and to contact Adisson and Mark on this [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: francois to go through http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-i18n-comments/2005Dec/0003.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action08]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: all to look at new comments from QT on charmod norm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: continue the discussion of open topics next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: felix to ask addison for preparations for meetings with ws folks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Felix to contact Moataz about HP replacement and TP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action07]
 
[DONE] ACTION: felix to find a stable uri to bcp47, rather than point to RFC 3066 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: felix to put bidi mirror on review radar [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action04]
 
[DROPPED] ACTION: francois to review the proposal is to eliminate overriding of bidi mirroring [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-i18ncore-minutes.html#action09]
 
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