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<gilmanb> Welcome by Eric Neumann
<gilmanb> First Face to Face meeting people who have written to the mailing list have many different interests and many different backgrounds
<Roger> zakim 44.114.222.aabb is Christopher Brewster
<Roger> zakim who is here?
<gilmanb> We may not be able to address everyones issues directly at first but will try to make sure our objectives and deliverables meet most people's needs
<gilmanb> Our first face to face will be Jan 25/26
<em> Thanks Duncan! http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebForLifeSciencesPeople"
<gilmanb> Eric N. stressed need for active participation
<gilmanb> Eric N. wants to know what community thinks are most pressing needs
<gilmanb> wants to use these for face to face meeting
<gilmanb> Q: Need to be part of W3 in order to participate?
<gilmanb> A: Eric M. HCLSIG is a W3C member IG. Any W3C member can join and participate. If you're interested in participating but are not a W3C member, I strongly urged to consider. If you're not a member, can't joing but are still interested / willing to spend the intellectual capital needed to help this work, you can apply for "invited experts" status.
<gilmanb> Mailing list Q: Difference between member and non-member
<gilmanb> member can own pieces of charter and etc. non-member can get e-mails but does not have as much decision making power
<em> Regarding HCLSIG membership clarification -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2005Dec/0058.html
<gilmanb> Q
<gilmanb> Q: Can I nominate a person to be a contributor to this group?
<gilmanb> A: If the person doesn't put their name on the list we can't track them
<gilmanb> A: We urge that individual to join the list and introduce themselves to us
<gilmanb> Eric M. stresses people on this phone call to ask colleagues to participate in this group
<gilmanb> Q: Issues around face-to-face?
<gilmanb> Q: Can we postpone the f2f by a day or two?
<alanr> http://www.43folders.com/2005/11/29/emailing-a-text-based-meeting-scheduler/
<gilmanb> A: Eric M. and gilmanb will look at schedule to make sure we can accommodate everyone
<gilmanb> Tonya says we have second day as .5 days
<em> ACTION: EricM and BrianG to create a WBS system for the Jan 25/26 F2F meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-minutes.html#action01]
<em> .me would like to suggest this be a 2 day meeting (rather than 1.5)
<gilmanb> about 30 - 40 attendees at f2f
<gilmanb> Areas of interest
<gilmanb> em can we make a topic list and have people vote on it?
<gilmanb> ie. collect topics and put them into an online voting system like sparkle?
<alanr> I need to review charter too.
<gilmanb> core vocab
<em> eneumann, please note there is a queue for folks to talk
<gilmanb> identifiers and scientific publications
<gilmanb> any overlap with semantic web best practices
<gilmanb> charter has changed slightly from feedback of AC group
<gilmanb> got important feedback from advisory committee wanted clear delineation between the groups
<gilmanb> strive to work off of each other and send feedback
<Zakim> em, you wanted to talk about charter
<Marja> where would annotations, bookmarks and topics fit in the scenario?
<gilmanb> 30-40 is a huge meeting really need 2 days - Roger's Comments
<gilmanb> Tonya agrees - still need venue sorted out
<gilmanb> guarantee of 1.5 day for venue for hotel
<gilmanb> need to find a venue for longer if we'd like 2 days
<gilmanb> ie. conference room booking this is a logistics issue not group issue
<gilmanb> Marja - annotations, topic, bookmarks in this group?
<gilmanb> EN - need to get updated on the tools and annotations
<gilmanb> Eric N. how do we integrate all these technologies and define best practice mechanism?
<gilmanb> em - process point - charter is not up for discussion
<gilmanb> em - group's task is not to modify the charter places are under specified where we can explore but not to modify
<gilmanb> Eric N. Q: would people like to allocate time to go over "showcase technologies" during f2f?
<gilmanb> gilmanb: Please Eric Yes!
<em> +1
<Alfredo> Agree
<Roger> Yes.
<gilmanb> I'd like to see people bring their use cases to the meeting and present them
<eneumann> em -- thanks!
<gilmanb> then I'd like to get a tutorial on Semantic Web Tech in general
<Roger> It would be nice to have some indication of business value -- in dollars if possible.
<gilmanb> Finally, I'd like to see how the tech addresses the use cases
<Marja> I'm happy to do a demonstration if people want to see it
<gilmanb> Roger, ROI follows "typical" ROI curves for new tech
<gilmanb> I'll send to you after the meeting
<gilmanb> Tonya - will try and get right venue for 2 day conference
<gilmanb> Eric N. every other Week have teleconference (suggestion)
<gilmanb> Eric N. every day of the week instead?
<Roger> No, no -- every week, not every day!!
<gilmanb> Q for em - can people suggest times for regular meeting times?
<gilmanb> lol - woops - every week vs. every other week
<gilmanb> em - There is a mechanism - we'll do this for everyone
<gilmanb> Comment that it's easier to do every week than every other week
<gilmanb> you can remember that easier
<gilmanb> ACTION: poll most feasible time for meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-minutes.html#action02]
<gilmanb> Next Thurs and following Thurs as temp meeting schedule
<gilmanb> How do we have a vote on issues?
<Roger> Suggest you find out how many people really will attend 12/22. I know I can'
<Roger> t
<gilmanb> em - responds - Need to clarify it is unclear right now
<gilmanb> right em?
<gilmanb> I got confused
<em> yep
<gilmanb> Dec 15 11:00 am EST
<gilmanb> next meeting
<gilmanb> Dec 22 11:00 am EST meeting after that
<gilmanb> 22nd I won't be able to attend
<gilmanb> Thanks everyone!
<gilmanb> Call ends
<em> meeting adjourned
<gilmanb> em - that's awesome
<em> Scribe: BrianG
<em> Title:HCLSIG Telecon
<em> action2=EricM and BrianG to create a WBS to poll for most feasible teleconference times