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15:55:00 <em> Chair: EricN
15:55:23 <em> Scribe: EricM
15:56:49 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has now started
15:56:56 <Zakim> + +1.847.359.aaaa
15:58:17 <Zakim> + +44.114.222.aabb
15:59:02 <Zakim> +??P0
15:59:47 <Zakim> + +1.734.622.aacc
16:00:02 <Zakim> + +1.617.679.aadd
16:00:03 <em> zakim, dial emiller-bos
16:00:03 <Zakim> ok, em; the call is being made
16:00:04 <Zakim> +Emiller
16:00:32 <Zakim> + +1.508.720.aaee
16:00:34 <Zakim> +RogerC
16:00:36 <Zakim> + +1.617.432.aaff
16:00:37 <Zakim> - +1.508.720.aaee
16:00:38 <Zakim> +Brian_Gilman
16:00:54 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:00:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.359.aaaa, +44.114.222.aabb, ??P0, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman
16:01:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, em
16:01:04 <Roger> Roger has joined #hcls
16:01:17 <em> zakim, who is her?
16:01:17 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, em.
16:01:28 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:01:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.359.aaaa, +44.114.222.aabb, ??P0, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman
16:01:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, em
16:02:09 <alanr> alanr has joined #hcls
16:02:24 <alanr> ha ha
16:02:29 <Zakim> +Tanya_Hongsermeier
16:02:44 <Zakim> +Marja
16:02:45 <Zakim> +??P22
16:02:54 <Zakim> + +1.617.492.aagg
16:03:08 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.359.aaaa, +44.114.222.aabb, ??P0, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman, Tanya_Hongsermeier, ??P22, Marja,
16:03:15 <Zakim> ... +1.617.492.aagg
16:03:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, em
16:03:45 <gilmanb> gilmanb has joined #hcls
16:03:52 <Zakim> +Danny
16:03:52 <em> agenda?
16:04:06 <gilmanb> hey eric it's Brian G. 
16:04:10 <em> zakim, Danny is EricN
16:04:10 <Zakim> +EricN; got it
16:04:15 <em> howdy Brian! :)
16:04:24 <gilmanb> I'm also on the phone call
16:04:32 <gilmanb> I'll announce myself later
16:05:12 <gilmanb> there aren't many people on this call
16:05:18 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:05:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.359.aaaa, +44.114.222.aabb, ??P0, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman, Tanya_Hongsermeier, ??P22, Marja,
16:05:22 <Zakim> ... +1.617.492.aagg, EricN
16:05:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see gilmanb, alanr, Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, em
16:05:33 <Zakim> +[Agfa]
16:05:51 <em> zakim, [agfa] is HelenC
16:05:51 <Zakim> +HelenC; got it
16:05:57 <Zakim> +[IBMCambridge]
16:06:16 <em> zakim, [IBMCambridge] is Davide
16:06:16 <Zakim> +Davide; got it
16:06:37 <gilmanb> totally cool
16:06:43 <em> zakim, Davide is SeanM 
16:06:43 <Zakim> +SeanM; got it
16:06:45 <Zakim> + +1.206.219.aahh
16:06:48 <gilmanb> can I ask Zakim questions too?
16:07:02 <em> zakim, +1.206.219.aahh is ChristP
16:07:02 <Zakim> +ChristP; got it
16:07:12 <em> Brian, yes - anyone can ask :)
16:07:15 <em> zakim, help?
16:07:15 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
16:07:18 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
16:07:20 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
16:07:22 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
16:07:24 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
16:07:27 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
16:07:30 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
16:07:32 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
16:07:35 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
16:07:38 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
16:07:40 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
16:07:42 <gilmanb> that is awesome!
16:07:43 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
16:07:45 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
16:07:48 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
16:07:49 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
16:07:50 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
16:07:51 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2005/12/08 17:08:36 $
16:07:53 <Zakim> +??P34
16:07:54 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:07:57 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:07:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.359.aaaa, +44.114.222.aabb, ??P0, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman, Tanya_Hongsermeier, ??P22, Marja,
16:08:00 <Zakim> ... +1.617.492.aagg, EricN, HelenC, SeanM, ChristP, ??P34, [IBM]
16:08:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see gilmanb, alanr, Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, em
16:08:33 <Zakim> + +1.508.720.aaii
16:09:23 <em> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2005Dec/0051.html
16:09:38 <em> Title: Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Telecon
16:09:45 <em> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:09:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-minutes.html em
16:09:57 <em> rrsagent, make log public
16:11:01 <em> .me notes to himself to give Brian, EricN, Tonya a tool tour
16:11:01 <gilmanb> em should I write my notes in the IRC window?
16:11:01 <em> yes please
16:11:09 <gilmanb> then it'll be automagically generated?
16:11:40 <gilmanb> great!
16:11:40 <gilmanb> Welcome by Eric Neumann
16:11:50 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:11:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.359.aaaa, +44.114.222.aabb, ??P0, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman, Tanya_Hongsermeier, ??P22, Marja,
16:11:54 <Zakim> ... +1.617.492.aagg, EricN, HelenC, SeanM, ChristP, ??P34, [IBM], +1.508.720.aaii
16:11:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see gilmanb, alanr, Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, em
16:12:14 <gilmanb> First Face to Face meeting people who have written to the mailing list have many different interests and many different backgrounds
16:12:50 <Roger> zakim 44.114.222.aabb is Christopher Brewster
16:13:05 <Marja> Marja has joined #hcls
16:13:27 <Roger> zakim who is here?
16:13:40 <gilmanb> We may not be able to address everyones issues directly at first but will try to make sure our objectives and deliverables meet most people's needs
16:14:08 <gilmanb> Our first face to face will be Jan 25/26
16:14:43 <Zakim> +[Agfa]
16:14:51 <Zakim> -HelenC
16:15:24 <Roger> zakim, who is here?
16:15:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.847.359.aaaa, +44.114.222.aabb, ??P0, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman, Tanya_Hongsermeier, ??P22, Marja,
16:15:27 <Zakim> ... +1.617.492.aagg, EricN, SeanM, ChristP, ??P34, [IBM], +1.508.720.aaii, [Agfa]
16:15:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Marja, gilmanb, alanr, Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, em
16:17:18 <em> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:17:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introductions -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebForLifeSciencesPeople" taken up [from em]
16:17:26 <Roger> zakim, 44.114.222.aabb is Christopher Brewster
16:17:26 <Zakim> I don't understand '44.114.222.aabb is Christopher Brewster', Roger
16:17:28 <em> Thanks Duncan! http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebForLifeSciencesPeople"
16:18:39 <Roger> Spaces where?  Also, remind me how to say something offline as you just did.
16:18:50 <gilmanb> Eric N. stressed need for active participation 
16:19:23 <Roger> zakim, 44.114.222.aabb is ChristopherBrewster
16:19:23 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named '44.114.222.aabb'
16:19:24 <gilmanb> Eric N. wants to know what community thinks are most pressing needs
16:19:44 <gilmanb> wants to use these for face to face meeting 
16:20:04 <gilmanb> em, is it .me or /me?
16:20:29 <gilmanb> ok
16:20:30 <gilmanb> thanks
16:20:32 <em> zakim, +44.114.222.aabb is ChristopherBrewster
16:20:32 <Zakim> +ChristopherBrewster; got it
16:21:01 <gilmanb> Q: Need to be part of W3 in order to participate?
16:21:20 <Alfredo> Alfredo has joined #hcls
16:22:19 <gilmanb> A: Eric M. no, but strongly urged to join or apply for "invited experts" status - person who can't join but have the intellectual capital needed to get this group off the ground
16:22:59 <gilmanb> Mailing list Q: Difference between member and non-member
16:23:42 <gilmanb> member can own pieces of charter and etc. non-member can get e-mails but does not have as much decision making power
16:24:07 <em> Regarding HCLSIG membership clarification -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2005Dec/0058.html
16:25:02 <gilmanb> Q
16:25:19 <gilmanb> Q: Can I nominate a person to be a contributor to this group?
16:25:33 <Zakim> -[IBM]
16:25:43 <gilmanb> A: If the person doesn't put their name on the list we can't track them
16:26:08 <gilmanb> A: We urge that individual to join the list and introduce themselves to us
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16:27:16 <gilmanb> Eric M. stresses people on this phone call to ask colleagues to participate in this group 
16:27:27 <gilmanb> hey Eric N. 
16:27:53 <gilmanb> could you please amend my comments if I'm off?
16:28:06 <Sean> Sean has joined #hcls
16:28:14 <gilmanb> is that Sean from IBM?
16:28:26 <Sean> yes it is 
16:28:31 <em> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:28:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Face to Face meeting -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/news#x20051122a" taken up [from em]
16:28:32 <gilmanb> Long time no talk!
16:28:38 <Sean> hello Brian :-) 
16:28:41 <gilmanb> hello there
16:28:52 <gilmanb> It's good to see you guys in this group
16:29:12 <Sean> We have high hopes! 
16:29:20 <em> q+
16:29:22 <gilmanb> :)
16:29:25 <gilmanb> yes we do
16:29:45 <gilmanb> Q: Issues around face-to-face?
16:30:01 <gilmanb> Q: Can we postpone the f2f by a day or two?
16:30:22 <em> ack em
16:30:30 <eneumann> q+
16:30:57 <alanr> http://www.43folders.com/2005/11/29/emailing-a-text-based-meeting-scheduler/
16:32:00 <gilmanb> A: Eric M. and gilmanb will look at schedule to make sure we can accommodate everyone
16:32:16 <gilmanb> Tonya says we have second day as .5 days
16:32:45 <gilmanb> em, I need to step out for 1 min
16:32:47 <gilmanb> brb
16:33:36 <gilmanb> ib
16:33:45 <gilmanb> Ammend Dates 25/26 f2f
16:34:44 <em> action: EricM and BrianG to create a WBS system for the Jan 25/26 F2F meeting
16:35:35 <em> .me would like to suggest this be a 2 day meeting (rather than 1.5)
16:35:39 <gilmanb> about 30 - 40 attendees at f2f
16:36:24 <gilmanb> Areas of interest 
16:36:26 <em> em has changed the topic to: hcls dec 8 telecon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2005Dec/0051.html
16:37:06 <gilmanb> em can we make a topic list and have people vote on it?
16:37:29 <Roger> q+
16:37:35 <em> q?
16:37:44 <em> ack eneumann
16:37:54 <gilmanb> ie. collect topics and put them into an online voting system like sparkle?
16:37:55 <em> q+ to talk about charter
16:37:57 <Zakim> - +1.847.359.aaaa
16:38:19 <alanr> I need to review charter too.
16:38:28 <gilmanb> core vocab
16:38:56 <em> eneumann, please note there is a queue for folks to talk
16:38:58 <em> q?
16:39:02 <gilmanb> identifiers and scientific publications
16:39:26 <gilmanb> any overlap with semantic web best practices 
16:39:41 <gilmanb> charter has changed slightly from feedback of AC group
16:40:10 <gilmanb> got important feedback from advisory committee wanted clear delineation between the groups 
16:40:28 <gilmanb> strive to work off of each other and send feedback
16:40:30 <em> ack em
16:40:30 <Zakim> em, you wanted to talk about charter
16:40:43 <Marja> where would annotations, bookmarks and topics fit in the scenario?
16:41:28 <gilmanb> 30-40 is a huge meeting really need 2 days - Roger's Comments
16:41:49 <gilmanb> Tonya agrees - still need venue sorted out
16:42:01 <eneumann> q?
16:42:12 <gilmanb> guarantee of 1.5 day for venue for hotel 
16:42:25 <gilmanb> need to find a venue for longer if we'd like 2 days
16:42:34 <em> q?
16:42:37 <em> ack Roger
16:42:47 <gilmanb> ie. conference room booking this is a logistics issue not group issue
16:42:59 <em> q?
16:43:01 <Zakim> +??P1
16:43:18 <gilmanb> Marja - annotations, topic, bookmarks in this group?
16:43:27 <alanr> rrsagent, bookmark
16:43:27 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-irc#T16-43-27
16:43:50 <gilmanb> EN - need to get updated on the tools and annotations
16:44:36 <em> q+ 
16:44:41 <gilmanb> Eric N. how do we integrate all these technologies and define best practice mechanism?
16:44:57 <gilmanb> em - process point - charter is not up for discussion 
16:45:38 <gilmanb> em - group's task is not to modify the charter places are under specified where we can explore but not to modify 
16:46:05 <Zakim> -??P22
16:46:45 <eneumann> q+
16:47:26 <em> ack em
16:47:30 <em> ack eneumann
16:47:48 <gilmanb> Eric N. Q: would people like to allocate time to go over "showcase technologies" during f2f?
16:48:02 <gilmanb> gilmanb: Please Eric Yes!
16:48:08 <em> +1
16:48:16 <Alfredo> Agree
16:48:22 <Roger> Yes.
16:48:59 <gilmanb> I'd like to see people bring their use cases to the meeting and present them
16:49:14 <eneumann> em -- thanks!
16:49:26 <gilmanb> then I'd like to get a tutorial on Semantic Web Tech in general 
16:49:33 <Roger> It would be nice to have some indication of business value -- in dollars if possible.
16:49:38 <gilmanb> Finally, I'd like to see how the tech addresses the use cases
16:50:10 <Marja> I'm happy to do a demonstration if people want to see it
16:50:52 <gilmanb> Roger, ROI follows "typical" ROI curves for new tech 
16:51:22 <gilmanb> I'll send to you after the meeting 
16:52:13 <gilmanb> Tonya - will try and get right venue for 2 day conference
16:52:33 <gilmanb> Eric N. every other Week have teleconference (suggestion)
16:52:52 <gilmanb> Eric N. every day of the week instead?
16:53:07 <Roger> No, no -- every week, not every day!!
16:53:10 <gilmanb> Q for em - can people suggest times for regular meeting times?
16:53:25 <gilmanb> lol - woops - every week vs. every other week
16:53:54 <gilmanb> em - There is a mechanism - we'll do this for everyone
16:54:23 <gilmanb> Comment that it's easier to do every week than every other week
16:54:30 <gilmanb> you can remember that easier 
16:54:40 <gilmanb> action: poll most feasible time for meeting
16:55:20 <em> zakim, take up agenda 4
16:55:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Teleconference schedule" taken up [from em]
16:56:27 <gilmanb> Next Thurs and following Thurs as temp meeting schedule
16:56:40 <gilmanb> How do we have a vote on issues?
16:56:53 <Roger> Suggest you find out how many people really will attend 12/22.  I know I can'
16:56:57 <Roger> t
16:57:35 <gilmanb> em - responds - Need to clarify it is unclear right now
16:57:40 <gilmanb> right em?
16:57:50 <gilmanb> I got confused 
16:57:54 <em> yep
16:58:11 <gilmanb> Dec 15 11:00 am EST
16:58:17 <gilmanb> next meeting 
16:58:28 <em> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:58:28 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Communication / collaboration" taken up [from em]
16:59:01 <gilmanb> Dec 22 11:00 am EST meeting after that 
16:59:10 <gilmanb> 22nd I won't be able to attend
16:59:23 <gilmanb> Thanks everyone!
16:59:26 <gilmanb> Call ends
16:59:27 <Zakim> -Marja
16:59:29 <Zakim> -RogerC
16:59:30 <Zakim> -SeanM
16:59:31 <Zakim> -??P1
16:59:31 <Zakim> -[Agfa]
16:59:32 <Zakim> - +1.508.720.aaii
16:59:34 <Zakim> - +1.617.492.aagg
16:59:35 <Zakim> -??P0
16:59:37 <Zakim> -??P34
16:59:38 <Zakim> -Tanya_Hongsermeier
16:59:39 <Zakim> -ChristP
16:59:40 <Zakim> - +1.617.432.aaff
16:59:42 <Zakim> -EricN
16:59:44 <Zakim> -Brian_Gilman
16:59:46 <Zakim> -ChristopherBrewster
17:00:00 <em> meeting adjourned
17:00:04 <em> zakim, who is here?
17:00:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller
17:00:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sean, eneumann, Alfredo, Marja, gilmanb, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, em
17:00:13 <Zakim> -Emiller
17:00:14 <Zakim> - +1.617.679.aadd
17:00:14 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
17:00:15 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.847.359.aaaa, +1.734.622.aacc, +1.617.679.aadd, Emiller, +1.508.720.aaee, RogerC, +1.617.432.aaff, Brian_Gilman, Tanya_Hongsermeier, Marja, +1.617.492.aagg,
17:00:20 <Zakim> ... EricN, HelenC, SeanM, ChristP, [IBM], +1.508.720.aaii, [Agfa], ChristopherBrewster
17:00:21 <em> rrsagent, minutes?
17:00:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'minutes'
17:00:21 <Sean> Sean has left #hcls
17:00:31 <em> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:00:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-minutes.html em
17:00:50 <gilmanb> em - that's awesome
17:00:56 <em> Scribe: BrianG
17:01:02 <em> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:01:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-minutes.html em
17:01:30 <em> Title:HCLSIG Telecon
17:02:17 <em> action2=EricM and BrianG to create a WBS to poll for most feasible teleconference times
17:02:28 <em> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-minutes.html em
17:02:59 <em> Meeting: HCLSIG Teleconference
17:03:24 <em> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:03:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-minutes.html em
17:03:36 <gilmanb> hey em, anything else you need me to do?
17:03:40 <gilmanb> also, who's roger?
17:03:50 <em> Roger Cutler, Chevron
17:04:08 <gilmanb> gotcha
17:04:21 <em> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2005Dec/0027.html
17:04:26 <gilmanb> so you've hooked OWL into zakim?
17:04:29 <em> Brian, can you send out a pointer to the agenda?
17:04:31 <gilmanb> that's really cool
17:04:34 <gilmanb> sure
17:04:44 <em> no, no OWL in Zakim, rrsagent (yet)
17:04:49 <em> just thinking out loud :)
17:04:54 <gilmanb> oh ok
17:04:56 <Phil> Phil has joined #hcls
17:05:06 <gilmanb> Zakim has text mining ability though
17:05:43 <gilmanb> is the agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2005Dec/0051.html
17:05:46 <gilmanb> ?
17:05:56 <em> yes
17:06:02 <gilmanb> alright np
17:06:07 <gilmanb> k
17:06:20 <gilmanb> There wasn't a lot of talking other than Eric N. 
17:06:25 <em> ideally, scribe would clean these generated up 
17:06:28 <gilmanb> But this is normal 
17:06:32 <gilmanb> yep
17:06:33 <gilmanb> I can 
17:07:00 <gilmanb> as long as you tell me the process for doing that?
17:07:03 <em> need to get you ssh keys; see email from Simon 
17:07:04 <gilmanb> ie. do I pull raw text or HTML etc. etc. 
17:07:14 <gilmanb> Yea, I saw and responded 
17:07:14 <em> can do either
17:07:17 <gilmanb> k
17:07:32 <em> the tools generate draft minutes; humans need to clean these up
17:07:37 <em> irc not an exact science
17:07:43 <gilmanb> oh I know it
17:07:45 <em> but helps minimize timely access to mnutes
17:07:49 <em> and track action items, etc
17:07:50 <gilmanb> I use IRC for Mono and Panther dev
17:07:54 <em> yep :)
17:08:17 <em> rrsagent, please leave
17:08:17 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-actions.rdf :
17:08:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricM and BrianG to create a WBS system for the Jan 25/26 F2F meeting [1]
17:08:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-irc#T16-34-44
17:08:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricM and BrianG to create a WBS to poll for most feasible teleconference times [2]
17:08:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/08-hcls-irc#T16-54-40
17:08:17 <gilmanb> At Panther, we decided to use jabber instead 
17:08:35 <em> zakim, please leave
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