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discussion concerning final arrangements for Yokohama F2F
Agenda item 3, last meeting minutes
Oct 17 minutes approved without objection
Action item review
<mnot> i059 proposal: http://www.w3.org/mid/2BA6015847F82645A9BB31C7F9D6416556A801@uspale20.pal.sap.corp
Umit: Important
requirements:
... requirements of wsdl / addressing bindings
... outlined areas not covered
... discussed addressing faults
... major issue is to get SOAP response over HTTP
response
... Requiment is to get actual response over a new
connection
... responses sent over the same connection if replyto: is
anonymous
... response is sent over a new connection if replyto: is not
anonymous
... points 5 and 6 in the proposal are not necessarily agreed
to be requirements and are open to discussion
... continues to go over the requirements contained in the
proposal as written
... proposal introduces a new element the "async element"
details of this new element are outlined in the proposal
Umit: New fault is introduced if
an endpoint is unable to support async operation
... open issues, 5 and 6
<Zakim> hugo, you wanted to ask about extensibility
Hugo: Asked if async is tied to use of the SOAP binding, is it that specific and was that intended?
Umit: problem was kicked around for some tme, and there was no intent to "re-write wsdl". Her observation is that the proposal discussed the specific need to address SOAP over http
Paco: Yes, it may be appropriate to come to a specific solution, but there is need to separate issues for clarity of discussion
Jonathan: question concerning requirement 7 and how it mapps to the proposal
Umit: that requirement (number 7)
is not fulfilled by the proposal
... other requirements not met are the "always async"
requirement (5) and the rpc style of use (6)
Glen: There may be more agreement than disagrrment on some of these unmet requirements, but the group has not reached a final decision
<GlenD> er, that's not really what I said...
<GlenD> Glen: We did have substantial agreement on requirement 7, being able to express the available "response bindings". That would be easy to add to this.
thanks glen
<GlenD> np
Umit: This proposal may be simplified further should the requirements be pared down
issue i065
Katy: Sent out two proposals, feels that proposal 2 might impact CR status of our spec
Jonathan: Proposal 0 (status quo) would have no impact on CR
Katy: that does not provide a solution if the SOAP action does not match the wsa:Action
Jonathan: Feels that this can be closed with no action by just not dealing with the migration issue
Mnot: let it sit until the f2f or discuss on email
issue: cr9
<mnot> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/cr-issues/#cr9
WSA Action for undefined faults
Jonathan: Original submission had
a single fault mechanism, but didn't say what to do about SOAP
faults
... Leaning toward proposal 3 to define a new URI for dealing
with SOAP faults
Jonathan/Mnot: feels that change would not be substantive especially with the use of MAY
Jonathan: goal is to define one action for SOAP faults so that developer has a clear answer
Anish: What would happen if we defined a default action value?
Jonathan: This was done just for SOAP, not clear what to do about other bindings
<dhull> +1 to reserving but not mandating
<scribe> ACTION: Jonathan to develop a more detailed proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ws-addr-minutes.html#action01]
<PaulKnight> +1 to Paco
Hugo: voices weak lack of support for proposal 1, but would not hold his breath and turn blue if it were adopted
Agenda item 7, CR testing report
Paul: not a lot of new status,
some work on the quality of the test cases we have
... There is not complete test coverage now, but there is
significant coverage and feels that they are doing quite
well
<scribe> ACTION: Paul and Glen send times to mnot for times for a test team call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ws-addr-minutes.html#action02]
David: Is looking for more detail
that would describe what was looking for what when
... would be nice to have more explanatory material describing
the test senarios
Paul: clarifies that all tests are observed on the wire
David: I am concerned that we
have missed something
... A standard test harness would be useful, and expands on his
extended thoughts of testing
MNot: We can get through CR with manual test cases although automation would be good for the community, just don't focus on infrastructure at the expense of tests
David: No, I am not talking about tool creation, I am talking about defining the tests and success/failure criteria
Paul: Defends tests by stating that each test is linked to a specific request and response
David: Clarifies by asking for as much specificity as possible
MNot: will try to schedule a
meeting for more detailed and in-depth discussion on testing
perhaps this Wednesday
... New W3C process requires a heartbeat publication each three
months, that will be discussed at futre time
Meeting ajourns at 17:11 EDT
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