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19:49:17 <Zakim> ok, Marsh; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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19:55:46 <TonyR> zakim, ??p2 is me
19:55:46 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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19:56:13 <Zakim> ok, mnot, I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM already started
19:56:27 <mnot> Meeting: Web Services Addressing Working Group Teleconference
19:56:30 <mnot> Chair: Mark Nottingham
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19:56:52 <mnot> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/5D90BB85-F6C0-46FE-97F3-085690F13E63@bea.com
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19:58:32 <mnot> zakim, who is on the phone?
19:58:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gilbert_Pilz, TonyR, Rebecca_Bergersen
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19:59:36 <Zakim> +[Sun]
19:59:41 <Arun> zakim, [Sun] is me
19:59:41 <Zakim> +Arun; got it
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20:04:09 <Gil> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:04:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gilbert_Pilz, TonyR, Rebecca_Bergersen, Jonathan_Marsh, Mark_Nottingham, Arun, Bob_Freund, MSEder, Hugo, Mark_Little, Tom_Rutt, Andreas_Bjarlestam (muted),
20:04:13 <Zakim> ... Nilo_Mitra, Umit_Yalcinalp, Mark_Peel, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr, [Microsoft]
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20:07:16 <bob> scribe:bob
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20:10:07 <TomRutt> Narita express runs every 1/2 hour or so
20:10:17 <bob> discussion concerning final arrangements for Yokohama F2F
20:10:40 <hugo> Zakim, aaaa is Paul_Downey
20:10:45 <Zakim> +Paul_Downey; got it
20:11:02 <bob> Afenda item 3, last meeting minutes
20:11:19 <bob> Oct 17 minutes approved without objection
20:11:25 <TonyR> s/Afenda/Agenda/
20:11:56 <bob> Acrion item review
20:12:21 <TonyR> s/Acrion/Action/
20:12:37 <bob> s/scribe/scribbler/
20:13:09 <mnot> i059 proposal: http://www.w3.org/mid/2BA6015847F82645A9BB31C7F9D6416556A801@uspale20.pal.sap.corp
20:13:27 <mnot> Topic: i059
20:13:48 <bob> Umit: Important requirements:
20:14:12 <bob> Umit: requirements of wsdl / addressing bindings
20:14:23 <bob> Umit: outlined areas not covered
20:14:47 <bob> Umit: discussed addressing faults
20:15:32 <bob> Umit:major issue is to get SOAP response over HTTP response
20:15:51 <bob> Umit: Requiment is to get actual response over a new connection
20:16:49 <bob> Umit: responses sent over the same connection if replyto: is anonymous
20:17:16 <bob> Umit: response is sent over a new connection if replyto: is not anonymous
20:18:30 <bob> Umit: points 5 and 6 in the proposal are not necessarily agreed to be requirements and are open to discussion
20:19:40 <bob> Umit: continues to go over the requirements contained in the proposal as written
20:20:30 <bob> Umit: proposal introduces a nre element the "async element"
20:20:56 <bob> s/nre/new/
20:22:45 <bob> details of this new element are outlined in the proposal
20:24:56 <bob> Umit: New fault is introduced if an endpoint is unable to support async operation
20:26:07 <bob> Umit: open issues, 5 and 6
20:26:37 <mnot> ack hugo
20:26:37 <Zakim> hugo, you wanted to ask about extensibility
20:27:59 <bob> Hugo: Asked if async is tied to use of the SOAP binding, is it that specific and was that intended?
20:29:32 <bob> Umit: problem was kicked around for some tme, and there was no intent to "re-write wsdl".  Her observation is that the proposal discussed the specific need to address SOAP over http
20:30:21 <Zakim> +David_Hull
20:30:22 <bob> Paco: Yes, it may be appropriate to come to a specific solution, but there is need to separate issues for clarity of discussion
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20:30:47 <bob> Jonathan: question concerning requirement 7 and how it mapps to the proposal
20:31:15 <glen-brb> q+
20:31:24 <bob> Umit: that requirement (number 7) is not fulfilled by the proposal
20:31:32 <mnot> zakim, who is on the phone?
20:31:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Gilbert_Pilz, TonyR, Rebecca_Bergersen, Jonathan_Marsh, Mark_Nottingham, Arun, Bob_Freund, MSEder, Hugo, Mark_Little, Tom_Rutt, Andreas_Bjarlestam (muted),
20:31:35 <Zakim> ... Nilo_Mitra, Umit_Yalcinalp, Mark_Peel, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr, [Microsoft], Paco:Francisco_Curbera, Anish, Vikas_Deolaliker, Dave_Orchard, Paul_Knight, GlenD, Paul_Downey (muted),
20:31:37 <Zakim> ... David_Hull
20:32:16 <bob> Umit: other requirements not met are the "always async" requirement (5) and the rpc style of use (6)
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20:33:01 <anish> q+
20:33:27 <GlenD> ack glen
20:33:51 <mnot> ack anish
20:33:58 <bob> Glen: There may be more agreement than disagrrment on some of these unmet requirements, but the group has not reached a final decision
20:34:21 <GlenD> er, that's not really what I said...
20:34:46 <GlenD> Glen: We did have substantial agreement on requirement 7, being able to express the available "response bindings".  That would be easy to add to this.
20:35:08 <bob> thanks glen
20:35:11 <GlenD> np
20:35:59 <bob> Umit: This proposal may be simplified further should the requirements be pared down
20:36:33 <bob> issue i065
20:37:22 <bob> Katy: Sent out two proposals, feels that proposal 2 might impact CR status of our spec
20:38:21 <bob> Jonathan: Proposal 0 (status quo) would have no impact on CR
20:38:47 <bob> Katy: that does not provide a solution if the SOAP action does not match the wsa:Action
20:39:19 <bob> Jonathan: Feels that this can be closed with no action by just not dealing with the migration issue
20:40:05 <bob> Mnot: let it sit until the f2f or discuss on email
20:40:17 <bob> issue: cr9
20:40:35 <mnot> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/cr-issues/#cr9
20:40:52 <bob> WSA Action for undefined faults
20:41:53 <bob> Jonathan: Original submission had a single fault mechanism, but didn't say what to do about SOAP faults
20:42:40 <bob> Jonathan: Leaning toward proposal 3 to define a new URI for dealing with SOAP faults
20:43:35 <bob> Jonathan/Mnot: feels that change would not be substantive especially with the use of MAY
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20:45:02 <bob> Jonathan: goal is to define one action for SOAP faults so that developer has a clear answer
20:45:05 <anish> q+
20:45:46 <mnot> ack anish
20:46:20 <bob> Anish: What would happen if we defined a default action value?
20:46:56 <bob> Jonathan: This was done just for SOAP, not clear what to do about other bindings
20:47:18 <dhull> +1 to reserving but not mandating
20:47:25 <bob> Action: Jonathan to develop a more detailed proposal
20:47:30 <RebeccaB> q+
20:47:43 <mnot> ack rebeccab
20:48:00 <PaulKnight> +1 to Paco
20:48:18 <bob> Hugo: voices weak lack of support for proposal 1, but would not hold his breath and turn blue if it were adopted
20:49:05 <bob> Agenda item 7, CR testing report
20:50:20 <bob> Paul: not a lot of new status, some work on the quality of the test cases we have
20:50:30 <dhull> q+
20:51:05 <bob> Paul: There is not complete test coverage now, but there is significant coverage and feels that they are doing quite well
20:52:19 <bob> ACTION: Paul and Glen send times to mnot for times for a test team call
20:52:29 <mnot> ack dhull
20:53:50 <bob> David: Is looking for more detail that would describe what was looking for what when
20:55:07 <bob> David: would be nice to have more explanatory material describing the test senarios
20:55:56 <bob> Paul: clarifies that all tests are observed on the wire
20:56:50 <bob> David: I am concerned that we have missed something
20:57:27 <bob> David: A standard test harness would be useful, and expands on his extended thoughts of testing
20:58:24 <bob> MNot: We can get through CR with manual test cases although automation would be good for the community, just don't focus on infrastructure at the expense of tests
20:59:08 <Zakim> -Anish
20:59:22 <bob> David: No, I am not talking about tool creation, I am talking about defining the tests and success/failure criteria
20:59:56 <bob> Paul: Defends tests by stating that each test is linked to a specific request and response
21:03:32 <GlenD> q+
21:04:19 <mnot> ack glen
21:04:22 <bob> David: Clarifies by asking for as much specificity as possible
21:09:21 <bob> MNot: will try to schedule a meeting for more detailed and in-depth discussion on testing perhaps this Wednesday
21:09:58 <bob> MNot: New W3C process requires a heartbeat publication each three months, that will be discussed at futre time
21:10:02 <hugo> Zakim, make log public
21:10:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', hugo
21:10:07 <hugo> RRSAgent, make log public
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21:11:32 <bob> Meeting ajourns at 17:11 EDT
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21:18:17 <mnot> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:18:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ws-addr-minutes.html mnot
21:18:35 <mnot> zakim, who is here/
21:18:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is here/', mnot
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21:31:03 <Zakim> Attendees were Gilbert_Pilz, YinLeng_Husband, TonyR, Rebecca_Bergersen, Jonathan_Marsh, Mark_Nottingham, Arun, Bob_Freund, MSEder, Hugo, Mark_Little, Tom_Rutt, Andreas_Bjarlestam,
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