W3C

Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

08 Dec 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corp.
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Doug Davis, IBM
Katy Warr, IBM
Li Li, Avaya Communications
Mark Little, Red Hat
Martin Chapman, Oracle Corp.
Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft Corp.
Sreedhara Narayanaswamy, CA
Tom Rutt, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Vikas Varma, Software AG
Wu Chou, Avaya Communications
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Absent
Alessio Soldano, Red Hat
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corp.
Bob Natale, MITRE Corp.
David Snelling, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Fred Maciel, Hitachi, Ltd.
Gilbert Pilz, Oracle Corp.
Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corp.
Orit Levin, Microsoft Corp.
Paul Fremantle, WSO2
Paul Nolan, IBM
Prasad Yendluri, Software AG
Regrets
Chair
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Scribe
Li Li

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 08 December 2009

<Bob> scribenick: Li

agenda

bob: clarify last call issues can be resolved earlier

agenda agreed

minutes of last meeting

RESOLUTION: minutes of 2009-12-01 approved

review of 2009-11-17 snapshots

RESOLUTION: snapshots of 2009-11-17 approved and issues incorporated therein will be closed

xml security x-path discussion thread

bob: two options

asir: we need to look at the technical issues before making decisions

bob: need to make decision before LC

yves: changing behavior vs. changing syntax for LC
... cannot change behavior for LC

ram: other group should give us issues to address

<scribe> ACTION: Bob to contact Frederick for issues? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]

Issue-8176 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8176

ram: will investigate it for the next meeting

<scribe> ACTION: ram to investigate 8176 for the next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action02]

Issue-6463 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6463

<dug> word doc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/att-0012/wsmex_sections_7_and_8_for_6463.doc

katy: describes the issue and proposal

asir: haven't review it yet, but question is...
... does the proposal cover both examples

katy: wouldn't object to putting another example

asir: discuss it next week

Issue-8200 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8200

dug: describes the issue and proposal

<dug> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex/Dialects/ws-mex-all

dug: it's an editorial typo

<asir> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Nov/0056.html

asir: agree it's a typo but also has non-editorial consequence
... the constraint at the table needs to be captured somehow

dug: needs proposed text to proceed

<scribe> ACTION: dug to refine proposal for 8200 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action03]

Issue-8227 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8227

asir and dug to clarify this issue from ashok

asir: looks ok

bob: any objection to resolving it?

RESOLUTION: Issue-8227 is resolved as proposed

Issue-8283 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8283

bob: anybody speaking for gil?

ram: should say MUST generate and MAY transmit

dug: should make this global for all specs

<scribe> ACTION: ram to define "generate fault" for 8283 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action04]

Issue-8287 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8287

bob: any objection to the proposal?

RESOLUTION: Issue-8287 resolved as proposed

Issue-8323 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8323

<dug> Filtering occurs prior to any formatting of notification messages.

<dug> Context Node: the root of the event XML.

dug: section 2.3 clarifies the issue already

ram: cwna sounds good

bob: issue cwna but needs response to reviewer

<scribe> ACTION: dug to respond to issue 8323 reviewer and cc comments list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action05]

Issue-8303 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8303

bob: any objection?

dug: yes
... confused about the first child element
... need to discuss with gil

Issue-8157 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8157

dug: describes the issue

bob: any objection?

ram: why need this for enumeration?

dug: same reason for ws-e, as enum items can be empty as well

ram: it's different and will talk with dug in detail

Issue-8159 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8159

dug: describes the issue
... and proposes option 1

ram: what is the reason for option 1?

dug: explain the reason for resource limited devices

ram: looks fine

RESOLUTION: Issue-8159 resolved with proposal 1

Issue-8161 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8161

dug: describes the issue

ram: looks good

RESOLUTION: Issue-8161 resolved as proposed

Issue-8305 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8305

dug: should be consistent with ws-e

RESOLUTION: Issue-8305 resolved as proposed

Issue-8192 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8192

dug: describe the issue

ram: have question
... will do more research

Issue-8194 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8194

dug: describes the issue

ram: fine with it

RESOLUTION: Issue-8194 resolved as proposed

Issue-8195 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8195

dug: describes the issue
... proposed to remove the sentence

RESOLUTION: Issue-8195 resolved as proposed

Issue-8291 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8291

dug: resolved already

Issue-8292 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8292

dug/ram: agree in general but needs concrete text

<scribe> ACTION: gil to propose concrete text for 8292 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action06]

Issue-8284 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8284

dug: what are the differences between two versions of wsdl?

ram: one is a profile of wsdl 1.1 with restrictions
... it's not clear how the profile is applicable to other use cases

asir: bp 1.1 limits wsdl to soap 1.1 and http, not other soap or transports
... not good to take a blank restriction on wsdl 1.1

wu: agree with asir, we should support both bp 1.1 and wsdl 1.1
... suggest cwna

dug: does bp 1.1 limit binding to http only?

ram: is checking bp 1.1

tom: wsdl 1.1 schema is fixed by bp 1.1 schemas
... need to consider the diff on schemas before closing it

asir: can implementations be ws-ra and bp compliant as well?
... there is no blocking for people to implement ws-ra and bp 1.1

bob: is there any wsdl in ws-ra that violates bp 1.1?

dug: profiling wsdl may be too restrictive while fixing it is ok
... ok with cwna after talking with gil

<Wu> wu: ok with cwna

<asir> Asir: ok with CWNA

<scribe> ACTION: dug to take comments for cwna to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action07]

Issue-8164 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8164

ram: discuss it offline

wu: polling many events is ok while polling for one may be overkill
... could suggest using getstatus instead of mc polling

dug: subscription end provides more info than getstatus

wu: subscription end polling creates a lot overhead

dug: subscription end poll is the same poll for other events

wu: endto is different from notifyto by spec, as the default of endto is "not to send"

dug: sharing EPR is an implementation choice
... spec needs to give choices to implementations

wu: we need to coordinate endto and notifyto
... or treat no-addressable endto as not usable

<scribe> ACTION: dug to modify proposal to address concerns for 8164 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action08]

<Ram> Wordsmithing: "Likewise, the wse:EndTo element MAY choose to supportmechanisms, such as the [WS-MakeConnection] specification, to enable delivery of the SubscriptionEnd message from the Subscription Manager."

bob: adjourn 40 sec early

bye

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Bob to contact Frederick for issues? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: dug to modify proposal to address concerns for 8164 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: dug to refine proposal for 8200 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: dug to respond to issue 8323 reviewer and cc comments list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: dug to take comments for cwna to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: gil to propose concrete text for 8292 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: ram to define "generate fault" for 8283 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: ram to investigate 8176 for the next meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/12/08-ws-ra-minutes.html#action02]
 
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