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pauld: Plan to change how we work, we'll collect patterns from the wild, add them to patterns.xml as 'pending' and then process them as a batch at our F2F in February.
pauld: F2F planning, we have the dates 8-9th February in Edinburgh, London, Nice
pauld: Travelling to London is central, but London is expensive and organising a room is tricky. My slight preference is for Nice.
jonc: could host in Sevenoaks
yves: can't make the 8-9th
pauld: Ok, following week 13-15th in Nice
<scribe> ACTION: ylafon to book room in Nice 13-15th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-databinding-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Book room in Nice 13-15th [on Yves Lafon - due 2006-12-26].
<vlad> i'm not available at that time
vlad will go ahead with the 13-15th, maybe Vlad could join us remotely
minutes from last telcon approved
vlad: had problems with xs:include, propose not using includes, include the patterns in the example schemas
pauld: are you saying the << element ref="" >> pattern is possibly problematic?
vlad: this one looks fine
<vlad> <xs:element name="targetNamespace" type="xs:string"/>
<vlad> was missing
pauld: in the case of TargetNamespace we have a generic issue with examples which are complete schemas
vlad: these examples are incomplete
pauld: first issue is one which
george picked up around generating static include files
... second is complete schemas don't have the echo element in the generated echoXXX.xsd schema and WSDL
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney to fix echo examples for complete schemas such as TargetNamespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-databinding-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Fix echo examples for complete schemas such as TargetNamespace [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-26].
pauld: not worried with the TargetNamespace example (coverage) but includes need fixing
yves: currently working on removing spurious text nodes (insignificant whitespace) for XMLUnit comparison
pauld: been try Axis testing
working sought assistance within BT
... no feed back from outside the Working Group, which is a worry
... will contact some developers directly
yves: nothing new on hosting the service
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney to resurrect the generated schemtron stylesheet [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-databinding-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Resurrect the generated schemtron stylesheet [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-26].
nice list of schemas in the wild posted to comments list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding-comments/2006Dec/0002.html
gcowe: continue to use the patterns detector internally
pauld: took an action, proposal still in my email buffer
pauld: this seems to be the only way to import a schema into a WSDL, access the elements from messages and be BP compliant
gcowe: not a chameleon schema!
... could be an issue, i'm not convinced it's valid due to schema import not being transitive
<scribe> ACTION: pdowney to craft examples and patterns for ISSUE-100 transitive import [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/19-databinding-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Craft examples and patterns for ISSUE-100 transitive import [on Paul Downey - due 2006-12-26].
paul bores the WG with his explanation of "transistive"
gcowe: we haven't encountered this issue.
pauld: could be an issue for the
Basic Patterns document becasue no targetNamespace isn't
... suspect we could add this pattern if it's incorrect but could be a substantive change
jonc: so it's currently advanced?
... can we craft a pattern to capture just this use
pauld: yes, we can detect
noTargetNamespace schemas with nothing but imports in
... thinks the elements in the imported schema won't be available to a validator
pauld: new issue from George
gcowe: we found some patterns in
... currently have patterns but these apply to xs:string, added patterns for our cases
pauld: three patterns in one issue?
gcowe: fractions belongs with totalDigits
pauld: exercised how to process
patterns with respect to the issues list
... I've been adding new patterns to patterns.xml as "pending"
... would like George (and possibly Jon) to have CVS access and to also work from the patterns.xml and examples.xml rather than the ISSUES list
... we can then batch up and accept patterns as Advanced and track via the ISSUES list at the F2F
pauld: these patterns look Advanced though, no?
RESOLUTION: close ISSUE-101 as Advanced patterns
pauld: OK, that's all for today: Happy Christmas/New Year/Holidays/etc to everybody, and see you next on the 16th Jan