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<Stuart> Scribe: Jonathan Rees
<Stuart> trackbot, status
Comments on agenda? No.
Propose accepting draft minutes of 26 June telecon (not the joint call, the one before it). OK?
Resolved: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/06/26-tagmem-minutes approved.
Henry to scribe next week
<Ashok> Stuart, regrets for next week's call
Ashok and Tim express regrets for next week.
Henry: Let's meet next week anyhow
<DanC> ok by me to cxl 31 Jul, 7 Aug, 14 Aug
Resolved: No TAG telecons on 31 Jul, 7 Aug, or 14 Aug.
How to continue the interaction with OASIS/XRI?
Ashok volunteering to talk to Marty about data integration use case in about 2 weeks
stuart: I'm concerned that maybe nothing will get done over the summer.
<DanC> HT: I hope to use the summer break to do the drafting I was planning to do.
HT: We do not have a serious analysis of why http doesn't meet their requirements. The XRI has not done this, nor have we.
<ht_wylie> timbl: The problem is not how to evolve the mechanism
<Ashok> TimBl: Who is the design authority?
<ht_wylie> ... it's a social problem -- they don't trust, or want to work with, ICANN and the rest of the authority structure
<Ashok> ask them is it that it cannot be done technically or socially
<ht_wylie> ... This kind of group wants to be _socially_ independent of ICANN and so on
<Ashok> do you want to be independent of ICANN
stuart: Have you seen latest decision from ICANN, re TLDs for sale?
<DanC> impact of lots more top level domains on the Web? Dan Connolly (Thursday, 26 June) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Jun/0113.html
danc: XRIs are showing up in oauth namespace declarations; namespaces are specified as URIs; that would imply that XRIs have to be URIs.
<DanC> (I tried to say IRI; but since IRIs and URIs share a scheme registry.)
<Ashok> but XRI not registered as URI scheme
ht: If an XRI URI scheme is applied for, then it will have to meet the bar for new URI schemes
... What can we do to help meet our obligations here?
<ht_wylie> At some point on the call, I said "Now _that's_ a technical question we could dig into . . ." . . . what was that?
stuart: Shall we: frame questions and encourage conversation?
danc: Not sure that will help keep things alive over the summer.
(The chair initiates a poll on the question of whether to frame questions and encourage conversation in order to keep things going over the summer.)
danc: Discussion on www-tag is convenient for me, though I wonder whether it'll reach critical mass
ashok: Yes, encouraging summer conversation is a good idea
<ht_wylie> Found it: 'HST thinks that addressing the "http scheme did not allow us to to use non-DNS authority resolution" is a very concrete challenge that we could focus on'
ht: Maybe we can dig in on at least one definite issue, the one about distributed authority.
stuart: Looking for ways to make it not fall silent and lose context over the summer
timbl: Maybe put the argument on a wiki, lay it out there
... Let's consider priorities w.r.t. other activities, maybe recruit others to help [given that our time is short]
<timbl> We could spend an hour of the next meeting to state our position
<DanC> but that wouldn't be any better.
<ht_wylie> HST is willing to try to start a thread
danc: A real back and forth would be better than presentations
<ht_wylie> ACTION: Henry S to start a thread on non-DNS authority resolution on www-tag [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-tagmem-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Henry S to start a thread on non-DNS authority resolution on www-tag [on Henry S. Thompson - due 2008-07-17].
danc: Let's drop video
(NOTE: No quorum from this point in the meeting.)
danc: How visible is the TAG blog?
... TAG finding says sniffing is security risk. But HTML5 says do sniff sometimes.
... Economics of following http spec are hopeless - doing the right thing loses market share.
... Now, there's the "I mean it" flag
<Stuart> Hixie's response was interesting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0079.html
danc: and sometimes there's a browser configuration switch that says "follow the spec"
... and maybe things are getting better with compliance
<Stuart> DanC, if you can point me at the 'controls' I'll be happy to 'live dangerously'.
danc: I think the TAG should talk about this some more
... Details on sniffing in html5 are reasonable, not just a wholesale endorsement of some popular browser's behavior
... e.g. <img src="something whose content-type is text/plain">
stuart: Would you be willing to take on editor role?
<trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- XML Transformation and composability (e.g., XSLT,XInclude, Encryption) -- OPEN
danc: example: content type xhtml+xml, but then treated by client as atom feed due to namespace in the xml file
<trackbot> ISSUE-33 -- Composability for user interface-oriented XML namespaces -- OPEN
<DanC> Dave Baron's msg was about the boundary between CDF and the TAG, about which I'm curious
Meeting formally adjourned.