IRC log of tagmem on 2008-07-10

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16:55:15 [Stuart]

zakim, this will be tag

16:55:15 [Zakim]

ok, Stuart; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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Meeting: TAG Weekly

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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/07/10-agenda

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Chair: Stuart Williams

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Scribe: Jonathan Rees

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trackbot, status

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TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has now started

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+TimBL

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+??P9

16:58:01 [Stuart]

zakim, ??P9 is me

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+Stuart; got it

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+ +1.617.253.aaaa

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zakim, +1 is jar

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+jar; got it

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+Ashok_Malhotra

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+DanC.a

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Getting started.

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Comments on agenda? No.

17:02:59 [jar]

Minutes re 26 June telecon. OK?

17:03:20 [jar]

(not the joint call, the one before it)

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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/06/26-tagmem-minutes

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approved.

17:04:07 [jar]

Henry to scribe next week

17:04:13 [Ashok]

Stuart, regrets from next week's call

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s/from/for/

17:05:05 [jar]

Ashok and Tim express regrets for next week.

17:06:33 [jar]

Henry: Let's meet next week anyhow

17:06:55 [DanC]

ok by me to cxl 31 Jul, 7 Aug, 14 Aug

17:07:15 [jar]

Resolved: skip those three.

17:09:28 [jar]

Now discussing how to continue OASIS/XRI interaction

17:09:52 [jar]

Ashok volunteering to talk to Marty about data integration use case in about 2 weeks

17:11:39 [jar]

stuart: Concerned that maybe nothing will get done over the summer

17:12:20 [jar]

shoot. lost my phone link

17:12:30 [jar]

hang on

17:12:43 [Zakim]

-jar

17:12:46 [DanC]

HT: I hope to use the summer break to do the drafting I was planning to do

17:12:52 [jar]

or someone else scribe please... 60 seconds

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+jar

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ahh... back.

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HT: Missing: a serious analysis of why http doesn't meet their requirements.

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q+

17:14:40 [Stuart]

ack timb

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-jar

17:15:22 [ht_wylie]

timbl: The problem is not how to evolve the mechanism

17:15:26 [Ashok]

TimBl: Who is the design authority?

17:15:48 [ht_wylie]

... it's a social problem -- they don't trust, or want to work with, ICANN and the rest of the authority structure

17:15:54 [Zakim]

+Jonathan_Rees

17:15:58 [Ashok]

ask them is is that it cannot be done technically or socially

17:16:07 [ht_wylie]

... This kind of group wants to be _socially_ independent of ICANN and so on

17:16:13 [Ashok]

do you want to be independent of ICANN

17:16:42 [DanC]

q+ to think about the "independent naming system"

17:16:44 [jar]

stuart: Have you seen latest decision from ICANN, re TLDs for sale?

17:16:51 [timbl]

yes

17:17:24 [DanC]

impact of lots more top level domains on the Web? Dan Connolly (Thursday, 26 June) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Jun/0113.html

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ack Danc

17:18:48 [jar]

danc: XRIs are showing up in oauth namespace declarations. Namespaces are given as URIs.

17:19:26 [jar]

danc: (Therefore XRIs need to be URIs, for that purpose.)

17:19:38 [DanC]

(I tried to say IRI; but since IRIs and URIs share a scheme registry.)

17:20:10 [Ashok]

but XRI not registered as URI scheme

17:20:28 [jar]

ht: If an XRI URI scheme is applied for, then it will have to meet the bar for new URI schemes

17:21:09 [jar]

ht: What can we do to help meet our obligations here?

17:21:40 [ht_wylie]

At some point on the call, I said "Now _that's_ a technical question we could dig into . . ." . . . what was that?

17:21:41 [jar]

stuart: Shall we: frame questions and encourage conversation?

17:22:08 [jar]

danc: Not sure that will help keep things alive over the summer.

17:22:16 [jar]

poll

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danc: Discussion should take place on www-tag

17:23:10 [jar]

ashok: Yes, encouraging summer conversation is a good idea

17:23:12 [ht_wylie]

Found it: 'HST thinks that addressing the "http scheme did not allow us to to use non-DNS authority resolution" is a very concrete challenge that we could focus on'

17:24:13 [DanC]

s/Discussion should take place on www-tag/Discussion on www-tag is convenient for me, though I wonder whether it'll reach critical mass/

17:24:38 [jar]

ht: Maybe we can dig in on at least one definite issue, the one about distributed authority.

17:25:48 [jar]

stuart: Looking for ways to make it not fall silent and lose context

17:27:31 [jar]

timbl: Maybe put the argument on a wiki, lay it out there

17:28:11 [jar]

timbl: Let's consider priorities w.r.t. other activities, maybe recruit others to help

17:28:29 [timbl]

We could spend an hour of the next meeting to state our position

17:28:46 [DanC]

but that wouldn't be any better.

17:30:08 [ht_wylie]

HST is willing to try to start a thread

17:30:21 [jar]

danc: A real back and forth would be better than presentations

17:31:28 [ht_wylie]

ACTION: Henry S to start a thread on non-DNS authority resolution on www-tag

17:31:28 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-167 - S to start a thread on non-DNS authority resolution on www-tag [on Henry S. Thompson - due 2008-07-17].

17:32:40 [jar]

danc: Let's drop video

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Item 4, contentTypeOverride-24

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-TimBL

17:32:53 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/07/life_without_mime_type_sniffin.html

17:33:05 [DanC]

http://www.w3.org/blog/tag/

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danc: How visible is the TAG blog?

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danc: TAG finding says sniffing is security risk. But HTML5 says do sniff sometimes.

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danc: Economics of following http spec are hopeless - doing the right thing loses market share.

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danc: Now, there's the "I mean it" flag

17:38:02 [Stuart]

Hixie's response was interesting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0079.html

17:40:09 [jar]

... and somtimes there's a browser configuration switch that says "follow the spec"

17:40:21 [jar]

s/somtimes/sometimes/

17:41:14 [jar]

... and maybe things are getting better with compliance

17:41:24 [Stuart]

DanC I you can point me a the 'controls' I'll be happy to 'live dangerously'.

17:41:34 [jar]

... I think the TAG should talk about this some more

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(Note no quorum now)

17:44:19 [Stuart]

q?

17:45:41 [jar]

danc: Details on sniffing in html5 are reasonable, not just a wholesale endorsement of some popular browser's behavior

17:46:15 [jar]

... e.g. <img src="something whose content-type is text/plain">

17:46:46 [jar]

stuart: Would you be willing to take on editor role?

17:46:51 [jar]

danc: yes

17:48:29 [DanC]

issue-34?

17:48:29 [trackbot]

ISSUE-34 -- XML Transformation and composability (e.g., XSLT,XInclude, Encryption) -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34

17:48:43 [jar]

... example: content type xhtml+xml, but then treated by client as atom feed due to namespace in the xml file

17:48:49 [DanC]

issue-33?

17:48:49 [trackbot]

ISSUE-33 -- Composability for user interface-oriented XML namespaces -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/33

17:49:10 [DanC]

Dave Baron's msg was about the boundary between CDF and the TAG, about which I'm curious

17:53:34 [jar]

Moving on. F2F prep?

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Meeting formally adjourned.

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-Ashok_Malhotra

17:55:50 [Stuart]

rrsagent, make logs public

17:56:48 [jar]

rrsagent, pointer

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See http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-tagmem-irc#T17-56-48

18:07:16 [jar]

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18:08:12 [DanC]

http://www.missouririverpaddling.com/TheRivers.html

18:09:28 [Stuart]

Big rapid at: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=10903+NW+45+Highway+Parkville,+MO&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=81.220239,111.972656&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=39.257213,-94.831967&spn=0.014289,0.043087&z=15&iwloc=cent

18:12:45 [Zakim]

-Stuart

18:12:53 [Zakim]

-Jonathan_Rees

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TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended

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Attendees were TimBL, Stuart, +1.617.253.aaaa, jar, Ashok_Malhotra, DanC.a, Jonathan_Rees

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