- From: Deirdre Lee <deirdre@derilinx.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 20:20:52 +0100
- To: public-dwbp-wg@w3.org
Thanks a lot Phil. Enjoy the break, you've definitely earned it! Deirdre On 22/07/2016 18:22, Phil Archer wrote: > As ever, the minutes of today's meeting are at > https://www.w3.org/2016/07/22-dwbp-minutes and copied below as text. > > We talked about the reviews from the I18N community and the time line > from now on. A *possible* time line is: > > * Editors work through I18N comments and the one from Rob Sanderson. > Issues look resolvable but any questions will be raised on the list > and/or in next week's call. > > * The hope is that we can re-resolve to seek transition to Candidate > Rec no later than Friday 5 August. > > * A possible date and time for the Director call is immediately after > that WG call on 5 August. > > Meanwhile... I take my leave of you for 3 weeks. I will be offline > from no later than Monday afternoon. Back on Tuesday 16th. > > Therefore, if I am to prepare the doc for publication - I hope with > both the vocabs as well as the BP doc - the publication date will be > Thursday 18th August. > > Cheers > > Phil. > > > Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference > > 22 Jul 2016 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160722 > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/22-dwbp-irc > > Attendees > > Present > deirdrelee, hadleybeeman, phila, RiccardoAlbertoni, > yaso, laufer, Caroline_ > > Regrets > Annette, Newton, Antoine, EricS, Bernadette > > Chair > deirdrelee > > Scribe > hadleybeeman > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]Comments from I18N > 2. [6]last week's minutes > 3. [7]I18N comments > * [8]Summary of Action Items > * [9]Summary of Resolutions > __________________________________________________________ > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all! > > <yaso> Hi! I'm in a place with lots of background noise so I > muted myself > > Comments from I18N > > <phila> deirdrelee: Will we need another vote after the > changes? > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all > > <phila> phila: It feels as if we should wait until the > commnetsd have been addressed and then vote for CR again > > <scribe> scribenick: hadleybeeman > > <deirdrelee> Agenda: > [10]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160722 > > [10] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160722 > > <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept minutes from last week's meeting > [11]https://www.w3.org/2016/07/15-dwbp-minutes.html > > [11] https://www.w3.org/2016/07/15-dwbp-minutes.html > > last week's minutes > > <deirdrelee> +1 > > <yaso> +1 > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 > > <phila> +1 > > +1 > > <Caroline_> Hello! :) > > <deirdrelee> APPROVED: Accept minutes from last week's meeting > [12]https://www.w3.org/2016/07/15-dwbp-minutes.html > > [12] https://www.w3.org/2016/07/15-dwbp-minutes.html > > deirdrelee: Any BP editors on the call? > > <Caroline_> yes! :) > > deirdrelee: don't seem to; only on IRC > ... Okay, so I presume no one has had a chance to look at the > I18N comments? > ... They have come in in the last hour. > ... Good that they've arrived when expected. > ... Next step: from the editors, tell us when we can look at > them, review them and address them. > ... Ideally ASAP, but need to be realistic. > ... We > ... We'd planned to have the transition call on Monday coming, > but don't think we'll be able to. > > <Makx> I just had a look at I18N comments > > <Makx> Most editorial > > deirdrelee: Instead, I think we'll need this week to look at > them, address the comments, vote again on the version of the BP > doc that includes the update, and then have the director's > call. > > Caroline_: Thanks, deirdrelee. > ... Newton and Bernadette send their regrets for today's call. > ... Would the chairs and Phil help us with this review? To have > another point of view? > ... How long do we have to do it? I know as soon as possible, > and we will try to do it by next week, but with the summer > vacation in Europe... Will we be able to have the directors' > call the following week? > > <Makx> Not sure I agree with criticism that Library of Congress > URI have 'limitations or problems' > > Caroline_: We can't do the 3rd week of August. > > deirdrelee: we'll create a doodle poll and find a time that > suits everyone, for the director's call > ... Re the comments, most are editorial/very minor. Maybe > instead of having lots of people look, if the editors could > look first and pull out the more difficult/complex issues -- we > can discuss them by email? > > Caroline_: Awesome. Thank you. > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to deirdrelee's proposal > > <yaso> +1 to Deirdre also > > phila: Yes, I think the comments are mostly editorial. But when > you look in detail, you may find some more complex. > ... I'm not able to help for the next three weeks. > ... I think it will take at least a week to go through the > comments. > ... By this time next week, you may have issues you want to > raise. > ... At the moment, we're trying to get TimBL. His availability > is limited. > ... By the time the group has worked through those comments, it > will probably be a week. Best case scenario, you vote on two > weeks from today. > ... No minimum number for that vote. > ... But not looking at candidate rec until three weeks' time. > ... So even if we have to wait for the directors' call, that's > probably okay. > ... You don't need me for the director's call. deirdrelee, if > you can set one up that would be great. > ... It's about the chairs and the editors. > > deirdrelee: I think it's important before we have that call > that we do address those issues and have another vote. > ... Re extension for the wg, do we have to do anything else? > > phila: No; I expect to put that request in after the transition > call. > > deirdrelee: even though that's outside of our charter? > > phila: I think that will be okay. > > deirdrelee: Any other comments? > > hadleybeeman: Sounds good to me > > <Caroline_> :) > > deirdrelee: Re rest of our time... Start looking into I18N > comments? Or talk about implementations? > ... Though might be difficult without Bernadette and Newton > > Caroline_: We could start with the I18N comments, but if you > don't mind, discussing implementations first would be easier. > > deirdrelee: Okay > ... Re implementations, we just wanted feedback on progress. > Any issues or problems? > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> \me bye Makx > > <Caroline_> > [13]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-implementationrep > ort > > [13] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-implementationreport > > Caroline_: I have to apologise; until yesterday I couldn't send > an email about it. So I did my action, I wrote an email with > the links for the implementation report > > <Caroline_> > [14]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-implementationrep > ort.PT > > [14] > https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-implementationreport.PT > > Caroline_: Like deirdrelee did for the call for review. > > <Caroline_> > [15]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUH > Vgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit#gid=0 > > [15] > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUHVgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit#gid=0 > > Caroline_: I did it in English and in Portuguese. > ... Comments welcome > ... Instead of building a table in the wiki, I kept the google > docs we did in Zagreb. > ... I sent the email to nic.br here. > ... We will get evidence from them. > ... Today, I will send it to a lot of the people in the google > docs spreadsheet. > ... You're welcome to join me in doing that. > ... I put the deadline in for a week from now. Not sure if its > too sure? Here where it isn't summer, it's fine. We don't > really stop in July. > ... So I think we might have good implementations. I'm sure > laufer will help with focus datasets. > > deirdrelee: The list of institutions... is that based on > feedback already? Or just organisations that have expressed > interest. > > Caroline_: Only organisations that have expressed interest. But > I haven't updated it. > ... If you could help me with the contacts you have, that would > be appreciated. > > phila: Fantastic, thank you Caroline_. Just wanted to share: we > said that guidance does;t count as implementations, which is > probably right -- but I wanted to share what's happening at > SharePSI. > > <phila> -> www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/lg/ Share-PSI Localised > Guides > > phila: that page needs work on presentation, but the info on it > is still useful. > ... there is a long list there of localised guides. Produced by > the relevant government ministry, saying 'this is how we do > open data in this administration'. > ... In each case, there is a list of the best practices, with a > link to where it is in those guides, that says "you should do > this". Sometimes it's a specific reference to our BP; sometimes > it's just the same idea. > ... At the bottom is a table > > <Caroline_> looks great, Phil! > > phila: Showing all this. > ... The one with the fewest implementations has 6. Highest has > 23. > ... That's a definite endorsement of our work. > ... This isn't what we're looking for; I don't want to change > what the BP editors have been working on. > > <phila> [16]Share-PSI DWBP cross ref > > [16] > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v54h3Hc3bc3WEOnVX5fR_Sk-zrAk62KYrsa-ULndQUc/edit#gid=0 > > phila: But I've also asked this people to fill in a google > spreadsheet which tries to do something similar with our stuff. > ... You'll see where our BP is cited directly, or the info in > their guideline is consistent with what we're saying. > > <Caroline_> very nice!!! > > phila: I know it doesn't count as an implementation, but I > think this is useful evidence to back up what we're saying. > > deirdrelee: That's really good. > > phila: that page has had me writing a 1400-line JSON file by > hand > > <yaso> Yes it is :-) > > phila: That page has had me writing a 1400-line JSON file by > hand > ... There is just no consistency. You end up doing it all by > hand. > > deirdrelee: We could use this research to add to the list of > people we are going to contact, to ask for implementations. > ... To write to? I'd bet they have some good ones. > > <Caroline_> +1 to deirdrelee suggestion > > hadleybeeman: Good thought > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> A question: when is the latest deadline for > submitting implementations? > > <phila> [17]My JSOn file > > [17] https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/implementations.json > > deirdrelee: any other feedback? Caroline_, what do you want us > to do? > > Caroline_: Re deadline: the email template says Friday 29 July. > > <deirdrelee> > [18]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUH > Vgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit#gid=0 > > [18] > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUHVgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit#gid=0 > > Caroline_: to have as many evidence forms as possible completed > and returned to us. > > <Caroline_> Evidence Form [19]http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/ > > [19] http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/ > > Caroline_: So we send emails ASAP, and have as many forms > completed as we can by 29 July. > ... I'm not sure if you can send this email until Monday, but I > can do it at least. I can then follow up after. It's my > priority. > > deirdrelee: Given the reshuffling of things that are going on, > transitioning the BP document etc., I think maybe aiming for > the 29th of July is soon. > ... And I'm not sure we need to do that. the group is > continuing on, and it's holiday time, and this week our > priority is the I18N comments. > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> I completely agree with deirdrelee ;) > > deirdrelee: We should definitely start this week -- but we do > want to give people enough time to respond. > > <Caroline_> ok > > deirdrelee: I think we could put the deadline at the end of > August. > > <Caroline_> what date do you suggest? I think it is important > to send a deadline in the email > > phila: There is no rush. the thing that makes this group > unusual is the strong presence of southern hemisphere > participation. > ... Europe and America are in shutdown between now and end of > august. > ... So I agree, we need to concentrate on the I18N comments. > ... So for implementations, it probably will be the end of > August. And that's okay. > > <Caroline_> okay! Thank you!! > > phila: So there's no rush to get those implementation reports. > Once we're in CR, we'll have at least 4 weeks to complete this. > ... The pressure is to get to where we are. We've done that. > ... If we were still rewriting, and needed a new working draft > next week, we'd be in trouble. but we're not. > > deirdrelee: Okay. based on that, let's focus the I18N comments > this week and scheduling the director's call. > ... We can keep going with implementations and Caroline_, you > can remind us all to keep at it. but we can do that over the > next month or two. > > Caroline_: thank you very much. should we put a deadline on the > email? > > hadleybeeman: Yes please > > Caroline_: Which deadline then? I put 29 July, so we are > changing it to...? > > hadleybeeman: If we need to be in CR for a minimum of four > weeks... and if we start that in three weeks (the week > beginning the 15th) > > phila: so if those CR docs go out on thursday 18 August, then > the earliest that CR would end is Friday 16 September. > ... so if Caroline_ is asking for a deadline, I would say the > end of August is difficult for Europe. > ... I think you need to go into September. So Thursday 15 sept > is realistic. > ... so on our call on Friday the 16th, we could see if we had > enough info. > > deirdrelee: I think we're talking about two different > deadlines. 1) When do we the working group send out emails to > invite implementation feedback? 2) when do we need feedback > back? > ... On the 1), I think 5 August would be good. And then for 2), > 15 september. > > phila: Thank you. > > Caroline_: thank you > ... One more thing: I'm just dreaming here, but maybe what > would happen if we got two implementations for each BP from > Brazil? > > phila: that's okay > > hadleybeeman: I would imagine the director would ask about it, > but officially it's within the rules. > > deirdrelee: Having two implementations is a minimum. We want to > prove that these are adopted widely. > > <phila> [20]Confirms 4 week minimum for CR > > [20] https://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#candidate-rec > > deirdrelee: So having more examples of some is great. We can > record all of that. > > I18N comments > > deirdrelee: Caroline_, it might be useful to thank them and > tell them we're working on it today. > > Caroline_: sure; I'll do that. > > <scribe> ACTION: caroline to write to I18N chairs to confirm we > got their comments and will respond next week. [recorded in > [21]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/22-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > [21] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/22-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-290 - Write to i18n chairs to confirm > we got their comments and will respond next week. [on Caroline > Burle - due 2016-07-29]. > > phila: I think we can close Newton's action 288 > > <deirdrelee> action-268 > > <trackbot> action-268 -- Antoine Isaac to Add intro to daq in > the dqv -- due 2016-03-22 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/268 > > [22] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/268 > > phila: and the other one to look at: action 268 > ... RiccardoAlbertoni, any comments? > > RiccardoAlbertoni: I'm not sure if Antoine has taken it. I > should check. > > phila: Okay > ... Other action (287) is on me to set up the director's call, > which I can't do yet; > > deirdrelee: Let's go back to I18N issues > ... Any that jump out at us? Anyone had a chance to consider > one in any detail? > ... Caroline_, any big concerns here? > > Caroline_: I haven't seen the emails yet. sorry. > ... I thought I could have some input from all of you today > > deirdrelee: There really wasn't time before the call, was > there. > ... Okay. If there is no other business, let's end the call > early? > > RiccardoAlbertoni: I checked with Antoine; he finished action > 268, so we can close it. > > close action-268 > > <trackbot> Closed action-268. > > RiccardoAlbertoni: There is an email from Jeremy saying it is > fine for him, how we solved this. > > deirdrelee: and we close action 288 as well? > > <deirdrelee> action-288 > > <trackbot> action-288 -- Newton Calegari to Launch the > implementation form on july 4th -- due 2016-07-08 -- OPEN > > <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/288 > > [23] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/288 > > close action-288 > > <trackbot> Closed action-288. > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> great! > > deirdrelee: thanks, all! Let's close the meeting; > > <RiccardoAlbertoni> thanks all! > > deirdrelee: I'll continue sorting the director's call. Aiming > for two weeks from now. > > <Caroline_> thank you so much!!! > > phila: I should know when philippe le hagret is back -- when > that happens, he'll do it rather than TimBL. > ... I'll find out in a minute. My guess is it will be then. > It's all done in tim's name, but he's very busy. > > Caroline_: call next week? > > hadleybeeman: Yes, I think so > > deirdrelee: We can have one just to check in > > Caroline_: Thanks! > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: caroline to write to I18N chairs to confirm we > got their comments and will respond next week. [recorded in > [24]http://www.w3.org/2016/07/22-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > [24] http://www.w3.org/2016/07/22-dwbp-minutes.html#action01 > > Summary of Resolutions > > [End of minutes] > __________________________________________________________ > -- ------------------------------------ Deirdre Lee, CEO & Founder Derilinx - Linked & Open Data Solutions Web: www.derilinx.com Email: deirdre@derilinx.com Address: 11/12 Baggot Court, Dublin 2, D02 F891 Tel: +353 (0)1 254 4316 Mob: +353 (0)87 417 2318 Linkedin: ie.linkedin.com/in/leedeirdre/ Twitter: @deirdrelee
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