Re: Gutenberg and www

Dear All,

As it is related with Gutenberg and  paper-based book, the questions on the
future of the web were ever arised by Steven Pemberton:

So what are you doing for the year 2500?

The web is now over 20 years old, but still in its infancy.

Books printed 100 years ago are still readable, and available in many cases.

Will we still be able to read and access websites made today in 100 years
time? Or will all our content be lost to future ages?

What is needed to make the web age-tolerant?

What do we want from the web in both the short and long term?

Be quoted from "What Do We Want from the Web"? (2014)

https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2014/11-05-what-do-we-want/


Regard,
Guntur Wiseno Putra

Pada Sabtu, 30 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com> menulis:

>
> Dear All,
>
> To add what I said earlier:
>
> We may link Steven Pemberton's analysis on the Moore's Law to what he said
> earlier about the condition of technology dropping in price to be usable on
> a large scale (in "Hot Links and Cool Sites...", 1995)
>
>
> Regard,
> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>
> Pada Sabtu, 30 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
> menulis:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> There is a consideration on the computer economy restricted an
>> orientation towards storing files into computer as Licklider noticed (1960).
>>
>> Meanwhile it is an analysis based on Moore"s Laws which made Steven
>> Pemberton rised such an enthusiasm toward electronic publication --and the
>> internet of things in general. He said about the possibility of optimizing
>> choices based on the analysis which are about computers having been getting
>> smaller, cheaper and more powerfull at the same time.
>>
>> The analysis may be found, amonv others, at:
>> "XML Interface toward the Internet of Things" (2015)
>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2015/06-07-iot/
>>
>> Regard,
>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>
>> Pada Jumat, 29 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>> menulis:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> An enthusiasm of electronic publication in relation with paper-based
>>> publication...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hot Links and Cool Sites: How Do You Make an Electronic Journal
>>> Readable"? especially on "electronic publication" by Steven Pamberton
>>> (1995):
>>>
>>> "Common complaints about electronic publications include that they are
>>> not as readable as paper publications (and there is research to back this
>>> up, for instance [4]
>>> <https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/#REF25181>, [8]
>>> <https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/#REF26766>), that
>>> they don't feel so nice to use, and that you can't take them with you to
>>> read in the train [7]
>>> <https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/#REF29218>.
>>>
>>> Some of these complaints will disappear soon enough, and are only a
>>> function of technical constraints..."
>>>
>>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/sigchi/elec-pub/
>>>
>>>
>>> Another source which is a proceeding titled "Electronic Publishing" as
>>> part of a workshop at the 1st International WWW Conference 1994 by Steven
>>> Pemberton:
>>>
>>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/elecpub.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> --I ever sent it to this mailing in a message titled "Electronic
>>> Publishing and the Web-related activities":
>>>
>>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webhistory/2019Mar/0015.html
>>> <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webhistory/2019Mar/0015.htmlRegard>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regard
>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>
>>> Pada Kamis, 28 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>> menulis:
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The web address for "The Computer as a Device" is same with that of
>>>> "Man-Computer Symbiosis"
>>>>
>>>> http://memex.org/licklider.pdf
>>>>
>>>> The link is suggested by W3C 10th anniversary's "How It All Started:
>>>> Pre-W3C Web and Internet Background: 1960 J.C.R. Licklider "Man Computer
>>>> Symbiosis"
>>>>
>>>> https://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/w3c10-HowItAllStarted/?n=3
>>>>
>>>> Regard,
>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>
>>>> Pada Kamis, 28 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>> menulis:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is said the computer, book, and communication:
>>>>>
>>>>> "But to communicate is more than to send and to receive. Do two tape
>>>>> recorders communicate when they play to each other and record from each
>>>>> other? Not really-not in our sense. We believe that communicators have
>>>>> to do something nontrivial with the information they send and receive.
>>>>> And
>>>>> we believe that we are entering a technological age in which we will
>>>>> be able
>>>>> to interact with the richness of living information—not merely in the
>>>>> passive
>>>>> way that we have become accustomed to using books and libraries, but as
>>>>> active participants in an ongoing process, bringing something to it
>>>>> through
>>>>> our interaction with it, and not simply receiving something from it by
>>>>> our
>>>>> connection to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Such a medium is at hand—the programmed digital computer. Its pres-
>>>>> ence can change the nature and value of communication even more pro-
>>>>> foundly than did the printing press and the picture tube, for, as we
>>>>> shall
>>>>> show, a well-programmed computer can provide direct access both to
>>>>> infor-
>>>>> mational resources and to the processes for making use of the
>>>>> resource",
>>>>>
>>>>> (Licklider, J.C.R. and R. W. Taylor, "The Computer as  a Communication
>>>>> Devices, 1968, republished by System Research Center 1990 p. 21-22)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regard,
>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>
>>>>> Pada Kamis, 28 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is from Licklider's consideration on "Ma-Computer Symbiosis"
>>>>>> (1960) especially on "Memory Hardware Requirements": "books"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The first thing to face is that we shall not store all the technical
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> scientific papers in computer memory. We may store the parts that can
>>>>>> be summarized most succinctly—the quantitative parts and the reference
>>>>>> citations—but not the whole. Books are among the most beautifully en-
>>>>>> gineered, and human-engineered, components in existence, and they will
>>>>>> continue to be functionally important within the context of
>>>>>> man-computer
>>>>>> symbiosis. (Hopefully, the computer will expedite the finding,
>>>>>> delivering,
>>>>>> and returning of books.)"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://memex.org/licklider.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the books meant by Licklider are records as we find them out now
>>>>>> as paper-printed and electronical ones...?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pada Jumat, 22 Maret 2019, Guntur Wiseno Putra <gsenopu@gmail.com>
>>>>>> menulis:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I finded it as one related closely as we may say about "the Internet
>>>>>>> Web": "Gutenberg and the Internet"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Book 1450
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Printing in 1568]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gutenberg combined known technologies: ink, paper, wine presses,
>>>>>>> movable type.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1990 The Web
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim Berners-Lee (and Robert Caillau) created the Web at CERN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like Gutenberg with the printing press, they brought together
>>>>>>> existing technologies (Hypertext, the internet, MIME types) and created a
>>>>>>> cohesive whole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Web is now replacing the book (along with many other things).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Telephone directories, encyclopaedias, train timetables, other
>>>>>>> reference works are already gone. Others will follow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Books (as an artefact) will become a niche market. All information
>>>>>>> will be internet-based.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://homepages.cwi.nl/~steven/Talks/2018/12-01-mediaart/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regard,
>>>>>>> Guntur Wiseno Putra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>