Re: provenance of provenance

+1 to the name "account" or "bundle" (I'm ok with both of them)
+1 to drop annotations. I had trouble to find a useful example for prov-o,
and I think that
it will look better and simpler with the current bundle definition.
+1 to introduce a component on bundles (or annotations, if that is the
name).

*One question:* what are the consequences for alice:report1 and ex:report1
in:
hasProvenanceIn(alice:report1, bob:bundle4, ex:report1, -, -)?

Could I automatically inferr that ex:report1 is an alternate of
alice:report1?
A specialization of? Or is it a owl:sameAs?

Thanks,
Daniel


2012/5/14 Miles, Simon <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk>

> +1 to the proposals.
>
> I especially think it is a preferable to remove annotations because, in
> their current form, it is unclear why they are special to provenance.
>
> As a minor point, I suggest that the current bundle definition could be
> better phrased. The current text is grammatically a bit clumsy ("an entity
> to allow") and may suggest that a bundle consists of two things: a named
> set and an entity.
>
> I think phrasing closer to that used in Section 4.6.2 would be clearer,
> e.g.
>  "A bundle is a named set of provenance descriptions, and is itself an
> entity, so allowing provenance of provenance to be expressed."
>
> thanks,
> SImon
>
> Dr Simon Miles
> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>
> PrIMe: A Methodology for Developing Provenance-Aware Applications:
> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1382/
> ________________________________________
> From: Luc Moreau [L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> Sent: 12 May 2012 11:11
> To: Kai Eckert
> Cc: public-prov-wg@w3.org
> Subject: Re: provenance of provenance
>
> Thanks Kai, good suggestion for reordering bundle and target.
>
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science
> University of Southampton
> Southampton SO17 1BJ
> United Kingdom
>
> On 12 May 2012, at 11:09, "Kai Eckert" <kai@informatik.uni-mannheim.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Luc,
> >
> > here is my feedback:
> >
> > +1 to drop the term account
> > +1 for the term bundle
> > 0 for dropping annotations (I don't think they are needed, but I don't
> see the relation to the proposed bundle component)
> > +1 for the bundle component
> >
> > In 4.6.3 Provenance Locator, I would switch positions of bundle and
> target, as bundle like service and prov denotes WHERE provenance can be
> found, while target denotes an ALTERNATE for subject.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Kai
> >
> >
> > Am 10.05.2012 23:14, schrieb Luc Moreau:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> We are seeking feedback on text regarding bundles (allowing provenance
> >> of provenance to be expressed).
> >>
> >>
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/working-copy/wd6-bundle.html
> >>
> >>
> >> It is addressing ISSUES-257, ISSUE-260, ISSUE-88, ISSUE-297.
> >> We will respond to these issues individually, shortly.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Luc
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Kai Eckert
> > Universitätsbibliothek Mannheim
> > Stellv. Leiter Abteilung Digitale Bibliotheksdienste
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> >
>