Re: PROV-ISSUE-4 (define-agent): Definition for Concept 'Agent' [Provenance Terminology]

Hi Daniel and Jun,
> After reading your definitions I was wondering if an "agent" or a
"controller" could
also have provenance.

Agents can also have provenance  - in sensor networks the provenance of the
sensor itself will describe its manufacturer, date of manufacture etc.

> if the newspaper or a service is an agent, then it would be helpful to
know who created it, when, what tools were used for doing so,etc.

If newspaper is treated as an agent in the sense of a corporate entity, e.g.
NYT - we can describe its actions - NYT sued NYC, NYT publishes four dailies
etc. and its provenance - NYT was founded/created by Henry Raymond in 1851
etc.

If you meant newspaper as an edition/publication of NYT (today's edition),
then it would be a "resource". I am not sure what you meant by service?

Thanks.

Best,
Satya

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> I would expect to have descriptions about agents.
>
> When providing provenance descriptions about newspaper or services, it
> might be more appropriate to treat them as "resources".
>
> -- Jun
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> On 07/06/11 16:19, Daniel Garijo wrote:
>
>> Hi Satya, Khalid, all
>> After reading your definitions I was wondering if an "agent" or a
>> "controller" could
>> also have provenance. For example, if the newspaper or a service is an
>> agent, then it would be
>> helpful to know who created it, when, what tools were used for doing so,
>> etc.
>>
>> If they could have provenance, then they would also become some sort of
>> "resources"
>> too, wouldn't they?
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Best,
>> Daniel
>>
>> 2011/6/6 Khalid Belhajjame <Khalid.Belhajjame@cs.man.ac.uk
>> <mailto:Khalid.Belhajjame@cs.man.ac.uk>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    Hi,
>>
>>    I added a definition of the concept "agent".
>>
>>    Definition: An agent is a (physical or digital) entity that controls
>>    one or multiple process executions
>>
>>    - The newspaper, the blogger and the government portal are examples
>>    of agents
>>
>>    I would prefer to use the term “controller” instead of “agent”. To
>>    me, the term “agent” is a bit vague.
>>
>>    Thanks, khalid
>>
>>
>>    On 20/05/2011 08:04, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>
>>        PROV-ISSUE-4 (define-agent): Definition for Concept 'Agent'
>>        [Provenance Terminology]
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>>        http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/4
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>>        Raised by: Luc Moreau
>>        On product: Provenance Terminology
>>
>>        The Provenance WG charter identifies the concept 'Agent' as a
>>        core concept of the provenance interchange language to be
>>        standardized (see http://www.w3.org/2011/01/prov-wg-charter).
>>
>>        What term do we adopt for the concept 'Agent'?
>>        How do we define the concept 'Agent'?
>>        Where does concept 'Agent' appear in ProvenanceExample?
>>        Which provenance query requires the concept 'Agent'?
>>
>>        Wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ConceptAgent
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