- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:56:21 +0100
- To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
- Cc: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Message-ID: <BANLkTi=okFQp33GBdZG4eNrsn=HQg_nZ=g@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Maciej, there are other aspects of the decision I disagree with and other aspects of the WAI-ARIA section not decided on in the decision, that i disagree with, I have and will continue to file Last Call bugs on these as per working group process. The only aspect I consider of immediate concern is: > Removing the default role (and associated level) for h1-h6 [not intended by the Change Proposal] as this has a direct effect on implementations. regards Stevef On 11 April 2011 09:42, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote: > > Hi Maciej, > >As far as I'm concerned: "Using the spec text supplied" was not part of > the decision. Implementing the decision is required. Doing it one particular > way or another, >e.g. using someone's provided spec text, is optional. > > Ok so I believe that implementing the decision as per Ian's interpretation > will reduce consensus. I will file a formal objection if the chairs consider > that is the required course of action to resolve the issue. > > > There's no need for that as yet. Just let us know what aspects of the > change you believe wrongly interpret the decision. So far I have: > > - Removing the default role (and associated level) for h1-h6 [not intended > by the Change Proposal] > > If there are others, please let us know. > > Regards, > Maciej > > > > regards > Stevef > > On 11 April 2011 09:25, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: > >> >> As far as I'm concerned: "Using the spec text supplied" was not part of >> the decision. Implementing the decision is required. Doing it one particular >> way or another, e.g. using someone's provided spec text, is optional. >> >> Regards, >> Maciej >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote: >> >> Hi Maciej >> >> there was never any intention to remove the default roles for h1-h6 >> >> This is reflected in the spec text changes supplied. Using the spec text >> supplied will increase consensus, leaving the current text will reduce >> consensus so it is up to the chairs to decide which course they want to >> follow. >> >> Regards >> Stevef >> >> On 11 Apr 2011, at 08:50, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote: >> >> >> A further comment. It seems that one of the points of disagreement is over >> how this text in the Change Proposal is to be interpreted: >> >> * H1 to H6 allowed roles: button, checkbox, link, menuitem, >> menuitemcheckbox, menuitemradio, option, presentation, radio, >> slider, spinbutton, scrollbar, tab or treeitem. >> >> This doesn't mention a default role, unlike the text for "h1 to h6 element >> that does have an hgroup ancestor". One could plausibly interpret this as: >> >> (a) Change h1-h6 to have no default role >> (b) Make no changes to default role for h1-h6 >> >> From the test alone, it is not completely clear which was intended. From >> your statements, it seems that your intent was (b). And it seems that Ian >> agrees that (b) would have been a technically superior choice. Given this, I >> think it would be best to take interpretation (b). In particular, when I >> reviewed Ian's list originally at his request, this was the interpretation I >> assumed, as it seems more reasonable. While the chairs have not discussed >> this yet, I would personally encourage adopting interpretation (b). >> >> Regards, >> Maciej >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote: >> >> Dear Chairs, >> Due to the HTML5 editors apparent unwillingness [7] to apply the edits as >> outlined in [6] >> I formally request this change [1] be reverted [2] per the issues that I >> cited [3], and ask I once again >> that the "set of edit instructions that state exactly what should change" >> [4] and accepted by Sam [5], that the HTMl5 editor specifically asked for be >> applied as is, >> and I further ask that there should be public discussion before any >> additional changes be made to this text. >> >> >> >> [1] <http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5980&to=5981> >> http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5980&to=5981 >> [2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0125.html> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0125.html >> [3] <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066#c33> >> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066#c33 >> [4] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0067.html> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0067.html >> [5] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0068.html> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0071.html >> [6] <http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/aria-changes.html> >> http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/aria-changes.html >> [7] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0233.html> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0233.html >> >> >> -- >> with regards >> >> Steve Faulkner >> Technical Director - TPG >> >> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/>www.paciellogroup.com | >> <http://www.HTML5accessibility.com/>www.HTML5accessibility.com | >> <http://www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner>www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner >> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - >> <http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/>dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ >> Web Accessibility Toolbar - >> <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html> >> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html >> >> >> >> > > > -- > with regards > > Steve Faulkner > Technical Director - TPG > > www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com | > www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner > HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - > dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ > Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html > > > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com | www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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