Re: shapes-ISSUE-192 (Are focus nodes shapes?): Should focus nodes be of type sh:Shape? if not, then what?

Yes, it was too late in a day when I was up at 5am. I'll edit the issue. 
Thanks,
kc

On 10/19/16 3:13 PM, Holger Knublauch wrote:
> I think you are mixing up focus nodes and filter shapes. Could you rephrase?
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> Holger
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 20 Oct. 2016, at 6:41 am, RDF Data Shapes Working Group Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
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>> shapes-ISSUE-192 (Are focus nodes shapes?): Should focus nodes be of type sh:Shape? if not, then what?
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>> http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/192
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>> Raised by: Karen Coyle
>> On product:
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>> Focus nodes are currently defined as a subclass of sh:Shape and are referred to in the document as shapes.
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>> In the abstract syntax, this looks like:
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>> Shape := label:IRI|BNode, targets:Set[Target], filters:Set[Shape],
>> constraints:Set[Test]
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>> Given that sh:filterShape has a range of sh:Shape, the logical conclusion here is that a filter can theoretically have targets, filters, and constraints.
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>> However, the document says this in 2.1 Targets:
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>> "Targets are ignored when a shape is processed as a referenced shape in parameters of shape-based constraint components (i.e. sh:shape), logical constraint components (i.e. sh:or), filter shapes (sh:filterShape) or, for SHACL Full, in the evaluation of the sh:hasShape SPARQL function."
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>> I interpret this as meaning that range of sh:filterShape does not have the same qualities as the class sh:Shape. If this is the case then this doesn't follow the RDF definition of class membership.
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>> Holger said this in an email:
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>> "In general I do have concerns about the concept of filter shapes. They
>> are a nice-to-have syntactic short cut, esp to manipulate existing shape
>> definitions, but otherwise their effect can be achieved via sh:and
>> already. The thing that I dislike about filter shapes is that they
>> introduce a non-monotonic construct where subclasses can have fewer
>> constraints than superclasses. This makes the whole language quite
>> unpredictable."
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-data-shapes-wg/2016Oct/0085.html
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>> Karen suggested that filters could be retained as their own "beast" by defining a new class (sh:Filter)  type sh:Filter would take only constraints as an object.
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-data-shapes-wg/2016Oct/0072.html
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>> However, now that sh:Shape is a subclass of sh:Constraint, the range of sh:Constraint is pretty much everything, so there isn't a class that can be used in a more narrow sense.
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>> Irene said:
>> "<In terms of predictability, having a filter shape able to include
>> shapes, targets, and filters is less predictable than having a filter
>> constraint that cannot also have shapes, targets and filters. One avoid
>> the potential for a kind of infinite churning of shapes within shapes
>> within shapes.>"
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-data-shapes-wg/2016Oct/0082.html
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