Re: Datamodel Strawman (ACTION-298)

Gary Hallmark wrote:
> 
> You think adding xpath to RIF is easier than adding generic lists and 
> frame types?  

No. But it may be easier than adding a type/class system for typed 
frames that is compatible with both RDFS/OWL classes and XMLSchema 
complex types without giving an appearance of duplication.

> Does xpath have a model theory?  

No, I don't think so, but it is not a logic language so one wouldn't 
expect it to.

> If it did, would it be 
> compatible with RIF's?

Doesn't need to be. The Xpath accessors would simply be builtins working 
over an opaque datatype, pure side-effect-free functions, no worries :-)

Dave

> 
> Christian de Sainte Marie wrote:
>> Gary,
>>
>> Gary Hallmark wrote:
>>
>>> The statement for this action reads "Show how to use XML Schema for 
>>> App Data Model".
>>> This begs the question: what is an "App Data Model"?  I believe that 
>>> we must define such a thing in RIF, and only then can we define a 
>>> mapping between XML Schema (or relational databases, or OWL, or RDFS, 
>>> etc.) and this RIF Data Model (RDM).
>>
>> During F2F6, in Innsbruck, there seemed to be broad agreement that RIF 
>> should not invent its own data model/schema language, as Dave and Paul 
>> point out.
>>
>> The action to "show how to use an XML schema for ADM" was seen as 
>> necessary because it was felt that, although several participants 
>> (including myself) contented that being able to use a data model 
>> specified in an XML Schema (or DTD) was a requirement, nobody seemed 
>> to have a precise idea of what it meant.
>>
>> As I understand it, there are basically two places where we may need 
>> the reference to an external, or application data model:
>>
>> 1. when specifying the type of a variable beyond the builtin types 
>> (and of a slot if we decide that RIF should allow type checking);
>>
>> 2. when navigating a data source, that is, to specify data accessors.
>>
>> As regards case 1, I suppose that a QName is all we need (in addition 
>> to  the metadata that will tell us what this ruleset requires, e.g. a 
>> data model represented by an XML schema, the URI of that schema etc).
>>
>> As regards case 2, as I understand it, it is the 'op' property of an 
>> UNITERM that specifies the path to the data to be accessed, where the 
>> 'args' give the context.
>>
>> E.g., suppose that the data model is specified by the XML Schema in 
>> [1], and that there is a rule that says (informally) (taken from the 
>> MISMO POC [2]:
>>
>> Forall ?R: Root()
>> If ?R.division="wholesale" and ?R.occupancy="Investors"
>> Then r.occupancyAdjustment = 0.95d
>>
>> The RIF XML could be (probably not compliant with Sandro's proposed 
>> rules, but that is not the purpose):
>>
>> <Ruleset xmlns:mismo="(the URL in [1]">
>> ...
>>   <Rule>
>>      <Forall>
>>         <declare>
>>            <Var>
>>               <name>?R</name>
>>               <type>mismo:root</type>
>>            </Var>
>>         </declare>
>>      <if>
>>         <And>
>>            <Equal>
>>               <side>
>>                  (*) Here we would like something like an XPath expr 
>> selecting the "division" element where the value of ?R is the context
>>               </side>
>>               <side>"wholesale"</side>
>>  ...
>>
>> (*) E.g. <Uniterm><op>mismo:division</op><arg>?R</arg></Uniterm>, 
>> where the arg could itself be another uniterm if we needed to navigate 
>> deeper; or a single 'op' could be a complete XPath expression; etc. 
>> The slotted syntax may be more appropriate for that case, btw.
>>
>> The question is: if there is a standard way, associated to the data 
>> model, to navigate the source - e.g. XPath if the data model is an DTD 
>> or XML Schema,etc -, should that be the syntax for accessors (and thus 
>> the syntax for accessor 'op's or slots may vary depending on the data 
>> model? Or does RIF need to define a RIF "data source navigation 
>> language" that works for, e.g., XML-S, RDF-S OWL, etc?
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://anonsvn.labs.jboss.com/labs/jbossrules/contrib/apocrif/jrules/src/test/resources/xsd/mismo.xsd 
>>
>> [2] 
>> http://anonsvn.labs.jboss.com/labs/jbossrules/contrib/apocrif/jrules/src/test/resources/irl/mismo2.irl 
>>
>>
> 

Received on Friday, 20 July 2007 07:53:57 UTC