- From: Patrick Curran <Patrick.Curran@Sun.COM>
- Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:08:26 -0700
- To: www-qa-wg@w3.org
- Message-id: <430A22AA.808@sun.com>
Here are the draft minutes from this morning's teleconference. Please send comments to me before the end of the week. Thanks...
QA Working Group Teleconference
Monday, 22 August 2005
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Scribe: Patrick Curran
Attendees:
(TB) Tim Boland (NIST)
(PC) Patrick Curran (Sun Microsystems)
(KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, Chair)
(LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO)
(DH) Dominique Hazaël-Massieux (W3C)
(LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST)
Guest:
(DM) David Marston (IBM)
Regrets:
(DD) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon)
(RK) Richard Kennedy (Boeing)
(MS) Mark Skall (NIST)
Summary of New Action Items:
AI-20050822-01: DH - Review legal sections in QAH to verify they conform to current W3C policy. Due 2005/08/23.
AI-20050822-02: KD - SpecGL should link to a more stable version of the conformance clause template. Due 2005/08/23.
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2005Aug/0045
Previous Minutes (Dublin f2f): http://www.w3.org/QA/2005/08/f2f-minutes
Minutes:
Agenda
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Scribe: Patrick, Dimitris
Chair: Karl
Template: http://www.w3.org/QA/Group/telcon-template.txt
1.) roll call 11am EDT, membership
2.) Routine Business
Lead: Karl Dubost
- Comments about the Dublin Minutes [1]
PC: good format - like the summary. Others agree. Thanks to Karl for doing a good job.
- Lynne's birthday
All: happy birthday
3.) Spec GL Recommendation [2]
Lead: Karl Dubost
- Champagne!
KD: SpecGL has been published. All - congratulations.
TB: how will we handle errata?
KD: small changes will be easy - larger will require a commitment from the IG
4.) Test Case Model [3]
Lead: Patrick Curran
- Work status, Deadline 24th
- Review by Richard, Deadline 26th
PC: Do we need to distinguish between Purpose and Description?
DM: in XML Query there were two separate elements. One was constrained (so that it could be
contained within a table).
PC: I can live with this - one is short, other is optional and provides more detail.
LR: Keep them both - see what kind of feedback we get.
DM: The "one liner" is also useful in automated systems.
PC/LR: raise the issue in the comments - ask for feedback.
LH: we could create a DTD or schema or RDF encodings of these elements. Make sure we mention both
possiblities in the introduction.
PC: Is there value to Required field since this is non-normative?
DM: This would allow tools to rely on the availability of these elements across test-suites.
DH: If we instantiate in a schema, would make the element required.
PC: OK - agreed.
PC: Is there value in linking directly into TestFAQ? Might be better to simply link document to document
(in both directions).
Others: Agreement
KD: Encourages others to provide additional links.
PC: Any value to "hypertext" qualifier to "freeform"?
DH: May help when we instantiate into a schema. Explain this in the doc somewhere.
PC: OK.
PC: Looking for help with examples.
KD: Asks LH, DM, LR, TB to help with examples.
PC: DM and TB may be able to help.
KD: Send to www-qa list asking for feedback?
PC: Not until we're ready to publish - this is still too early. After we publish we will
certainly ask for feedback.
5.) QA IG rechartering
Lead: Karl Dubost
- Status
KD: working on a charter document - early stages. Will pass doc to LR next week.
6.) Conformance Clause Template [4]
Lead: Karl Dubost
- Status and Progress
KD: is working on the style sheet to make it work on all browsers.
LH raised issue with section 3 (how normativity is described). See mail archives.
LH: Introductory material needs to be rewritten now that the format has changed. (The formatting
is excellent, by the way.)
KD: agrees to work on the introduction.
LH: don't link from SpecGL to this work in progress. Suggests an alternate version to link.
KD: Takes and AI to make the substitution.
7.) Graphics and Reorganization of Variability in Specification [6]
Lead: Karl Dubost/Dominique Hazael-Massieux
Graphics [5]
Reorganization - Deadline 22th
KD: has circulated a draft - is surprised by the volume of comments. Is happy to incorporate.
DH: has started to restructure the doc. Doesn't want to do anything too radical before our deadline.
KD: Discussion of details of the graphic - XHTML modularization discussed.
KD: asks the WG to suggest additional graphics if people think they are necessary.
DM: Suggests replacing the graphic
PC: It's too late (KD agrees - keep this as an issue and deal with it later)
DM: agrees
[Discussion of wording...]
KD: agrees to make the following changes: in DOM graphic change "completes" to "augments",
in WCAG graphic change "composed of" to "defines"
8.) QA Handbook [7]
Lead: Lofton Henderson
- Detailed Toc - Deadline 22th
LH: had an AI to make a detailed TOC (including a SpecGL-style link to good practices).
Changes have been made, and link circulated (see http://www.w3.org/QA/WG/2005/08/QA-handbook-ed-200508xx.html)
Second AI was to make a pass for editorial correctness. Due 8/31. Note that TestFAQ is now available so
can point to it for test-related stuff rather than to the Wiki. Suggests that Dom & Karl review the legal
section to verify that it is up to date and conforms to current W3C policy.
DH: takes an AI to review the legal section.
DH: This is due at end of month - who will handle publication?
KD: will take care of it.
PC: follow up - no problem publishing a few days after the end of the month?
KD: no problem
PC: should we reorganize our publication space - IG rather than WG?
DH: No need for existing docs - IG can continue to maintain. New docs will probably be published in IG space.
KD: Might be a good idea to reorganize - keeping only "QA" and "IG" areas
LH: Since we plan to continue to work/hold telcons, isn't this different from IG activities (that are more
passive - involving only review of occasional messages)? Should we have a separate list for the more active
core members? People on IG don't want to see the details...
KD: Thinks people on the IG want to see more discussion.
LH: Olivier has reported that people on the IG don't want to be involved in minor details.
KD: It may help - people may see that there's more activity.
LR: Let's just start using the alias, and if people have a problem, we can think about changing. People
may appreciate the additional traffic.
LH: Still thinks it may cause a problem.
KD: Is working on the IG charter. This will be announced on the QA-IG list. ww-qa will be the mailing list.
We should start to work on this alias. If people object, we can create a separate alias.
[All] agreement.
TB: will the external appendices (QA Process Document template and Charter template) be completed?
LH: Yes
KD: Please send additional comments to mailing list
9.) NIST Review of Test FAQ [8]
Lead: Lynne Rosenthal
- Status - Deadline 24th
LR: has comments from NIST - will circulate later today.
9.) QA Primer Review [9]
Lead: Lynne Rosenthal
- Status - Deadline 24th
LR: working on it...
Adjourn (will meet next week)...
[1] http://www.w3.org/QA/2005/08/f2f-minutes
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/REC-qaframe-spec-20050817/
[3] http://esw.w3.org/topic/TestCaseMetadata
[4] http://www.w3.org/QA/WG/2004/08/SpecGL-template-text.html
[5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2005Aug/0036
[6] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-spec-variability-20050629/
[7] http://www.w3.org/TR/qa-handbook/
[8] http://www.w3.org/QA/WG/2005/01/test-faq
[9] http://www.w3.org/QA/WG/qaframe-primer
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