Group chat on Oct 30, 2013

[30.10.13 07:16:20] Bart van Leeuwen: Bart van Leeuwen added Robin Keskisärkkä to this conversation

[30.10.13 09:58:29] Bart van Leeuwen: Prparing for the call

[30.10.13 09:58:55] Bart van Leeuwen: I have no clue how good the connection is here though

[30.10.13 10:00:34] Bart van Leeuwen: Call started

[30.10.13 10:01:28] Robin Keskisärkkä: Call started

[30.10.13 10:02:34] Carsten Keßler: I can't hear anything :/

[30.10.13 10:02:43] Robin Keskisärkkä: Hi everyone. Oh, seems like a lot of people just dropped out...

[30.10.13 10:02:54] Daniel Link: Hi all, now I can hear something

[30.10.13 10:03:20] Daniel Link: I'll have to be on mute most of the time today - being more of a passive listener today

[30.10.13 10:03:37] Daniel Link: Joseph, you sound like a robot here

[30.10.13 10:04:20] Joseph Richard Pollack: am i a robot.

[30.10.13 10:05:11] Bart van Leeuwen: I hear you

[30.10.13 10:05:18] Daniel Link: Hearing you well

[30.10.13 10:05:50] Bart van Leeuwen: I hear you very clear carsten

[30.10.13 10:10:58] Daniel Link: Agreeing with four people in total could be difficult.

[30.10.13 10:14:16] Joseph Richard Pollack: are we working with a google doc in parrallel

[30.10.13 10:14:18] Joseph Richard Pollack: ?

[30.10.13 10:14:51] Hemant Purohit: can't hear anything

[30.10.13 10:15:15] Bart van Leeuwen: Hermant thats a issue on your side then

[30.10.13 10:15:35] Daniel Link: I'm also having these problems. Just got kicked out of the call.

[30.10.13 10:15:41] Hemant Purohit: yup, now I can.. rejoined

[30.10.13 10:15:58] Carsten Keßler: now I'm getting kicked out

[30.10.13 10:16:18] Joseph Richard Pollack: it looks like i'm having trouble also?

[30.10.13 10:16:21] Daniel Link: Can somebody else initiate the call? Perhaps this will help.

[30.10.13 10:16:28] Bart van Leeuwen: infrastructure issues

[30.10.13 10:16:38] Bart van Leeuwen: hmm disaster / emergency ?

[30.10.13 10:16:45] Hemant Purohit: lol, Bart :D .. yeah.

[30.10.13 10:16:52] Carsten Keßler: minor incident, IMO :)

[30.10.13 10:16:57] Bart van Leeuwen: ;)

[30.10.13 10:17:41] Hemant Purohit: Joseph is hard to understand

[30.10.13 10:18:42] Joseph Richard Pollack: Robin : kindly mute your mic

[30.10.13 10:19:02] Robin Keskisärkkä: ok

[30.10.13 10:19:12] Carsten Keßler: I dropped out again

[30.10.13 10:19:37] Bart van Leeuwen: hmmm

[30.10.13 10:19:52] Daniel Link: Shall we postpone to another day when the infrastructure is better?

[30.10.13 10:20:02] Daniel Link: Joseph, I'm hearing only scratches when you talk.

[30.10.13 10:20:22] Bart van Leeuwen: hmmm that might be a good idea

[30.10.13 10:20:34] Carsten Keßler: maybe it's worth reconsidering how the group works anyway if only a few people join the calls

[30.10.13 10:20:52] Hemant Purohit: same here, Joseph-- not audible properly

[30.10.13 10:21:02] Bart van Leeuwen: that might be a good idea

[30.10.13 10:21:21] Joseph Richard Pollack: @carsten - the way I would work that : push forward and document it correctly

[30.10.13 10:21:24] Daniel Link: Joseph, kindly mute - we're hearing your keyboard

[30.10.13 10:21:52] Daniel Link: That's certainly a good way to get *something* done but not necessarily the *right* thing

[30.10.13 10:22:02] Carsten Keßler: +1

[30.10.13 10:22:07] Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to ?

[30.10.13 10:22:12] Carsten Keßler: to daniel

[30.10.13 10:22:40] Bart van Leeuwen: okay I'm lost a bit on what the discussion is about ;)

[30.10.13 10:22:49] Carsten Keßler: I agree that we have to push forward, but we have to agree on what we want to do first

[30.10.13 10:23:42] Carsten Keßler: One option would be: collect what everybody would like to do in this group (with a deadline, e.g. by next monday) and then let the group vote to prioritize

[30.10.13 10:24:11] Carsten Keßler: then we can push e.g. the top three items on the list

[30.10.13 10:24:14] Daniel Link: If we don't know what the people who are absent are doing, less than a week might be a bit too short. I'd go for 1-2 weeks.

[30.10.13 10:24:39] Carsten Keßler: I was just trying to be a bit more pushy ;)

[30.10.13 10:24:46] Bart van Leeuwen: okay, can I do a chair operation here ?

[30.10.13 10:24:48] Hemant Purohit: We also have agenda in the group's doc, when we initially asked people about what should be priorities to do--- so should that be a good starter?

[30.10.13 10:24:57] Carsten Keßler: go ahead, Bart!

[30.10.13 10:25:04] Joseph Richard Pollack: (y)

[30.10.13 10:25:27] Bart van Leeuwen: the group per the call of Oct 2nd clearly asked the chairs to come up with a mission statement

[30.10.13 10:25:34] Carsten Keßler: yes

[30.10.13 10:25:41] Bart van Leeuwen: We drafted something here: http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Mission_Statement_Draft

[30.10.13 10:25:47] Bart van Leeuwen: on which we got feedback last week.

[30.10.13 10:26:13] Bart van Leeuwen: One of the items in the feedback was, that the semantics of the terms used e.g. emergency were not clear

[30.10.13 10:26:31] Bart van Leeuwen: so why not create a glossary over our own mission statement

[30.10.13 10:26:50] Bart van Leeuwen: that should be relativly easy todo, since its not a large piece of text

[30.10.13 10:27:05] Daniel Link: (y)

[30.10.13 10:27:05] Bart van Leeuwen: if we have this glossary, and the intention of the mission statement are clear

[30.10.13 10:27:25] Bart van Leeuwen: we could ask the member, their top prioritty item, in the light of the mission statement

[30.10.13 10:27:30] Daniel Link: guys, if we are only chatting anyway, i'm leaving the call :)

[30.10.13 10:27:43] Daniel Link: (makes the chat window bigger)

[30.10.13 10:27:57] Bart van Leeuwen: yeah lets do that

[30.10.13 10:28:00] Robin Keskisärkkä: Call ended 24 minutes 11 seconds

[30.10.13 10:28:01] Bart van Leeuwen: Call ended 27 minutes 46 seconds

[30.10.13 10:28:31] Hemant Purohit: agreed, Bart. #Glossary

[30.10.13 10:29:00] Joseph Richard Pollack: or we can choose a baseline glossary ? FEMA, Dutch, French, Swedish?

[30.10.13 10:29:18] Hemant Purohit: One of the things in HXL version is the lack of enough knowledge about each concept and properties --- that label space could be a good holder for the synonyms glossary too.

[30.10.13 10:29:32] Bart van Leeuwen: Its not a official glossary for use in emergency response

[30.10.13 10:29:51] Bart van Leeuwen: its a glossarey of what THIS group considers their explanation of terms in their own mission statement

[30.10.13 10:30:14] Carsten Keßler: Agreed, Bart. But it would still make sense to review (and maybe adopt) existing definitions

[30.10.13 10:30:16] Joseph Richard Pollack: ok, then that's fine by me - i can contribute in substance to that

[30.10.13 10:30:33] Joseph Richard Pollack: i also like Hemant's idea btw

[30.10.13 10:30:34] Hemant Purohit: Yes, Bart. What I am suggesting is that we use the same set of Glossary consistently across any info management ontology we come up with

[30.10.13 10:30:48] Bart van Leeuwen: Sure, but we should not document more term then are available in our mission statement ;)

[30.10.13 10:30:58] Daniel Link: Joseph, I have a book here that you can use. It gives an overview over some definitions of "large-scale disaster"

[30.10.13 10:31:20] Joseph Richard Pollack: (y) @bart : good way to keep focussed

[30.10.13 10:31:36] Bart van Leeuwen: The wiki is free to edit by any member, so you can annotate the terms, link them to a new page

[30.10.13 10:31:55] Bart van Leeuwen: Would any of todays participants be interested in doing this within a week ?

[30.10.13 10:32:18] Hemant Purohit: Ok, Bart. A simple and clear start is better way to go (y)

[30.10.13 10:32:45] Daniel Link: I am all for maintaining focus. It makes sense though to include closely related terms as well, e.g. "disaster" added to "emergency" - what do you think?

[30.10.13 10:33:18] Bart van Leeuwen: I'm traveling around the commin 1,5 week, I'm looking for voulenteers :)

[30.10.13 10:33:47] Hemant Purohit: Perhaps, we give 2 weeks until next meeting, that would be easier ;)

[30.10.13 10:33:56] Bart van Leeuwen: it would be great if we have a annotated mission statement draft by next week, we can then promote this on the mailing list, let people speak up on next call

[30.10.13 10:33:59] Bart van Leeuwen: and then take it from there

[30.10.13 10:34:40] Carsten Keßler: what do you mean be "annotated"?

[30.10.13 10:34:49] Bart van Leeuwen: Wiki style links

[30.10.13 10:34:58] Carsten Keßler: ah, okay. Here's a start: http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Group_glossary

[30.10.13 10:35:10] Bart van Leeuwen: tha tyou can click on 'emergency' and see our definition on that termin in a wikipage

[30.10.13 10:35:40] Bart van Leeuwen: yup something like that, and let the mission statement refer to the individual concepts

[30.10.13 10:35:49] Carsten Keßler: yes, of course.

[30.10.13 10:35:58] Bart van Leeuwen: if we settled it, I can even put it in the Firebrary as SKOS ;)

[30.10.13 10:36:20] Bart van Leeuwen: ( but that is extremely off topic ;) )

[30.10.13 10:36:29] Bart van Leeuwen: so let me do a proposal

[30.10.13 10:37:40] Bart van Leeuwen: PROPOSAL: By next week have terms in the mission statement draft annoted wiki style. Mail out, and discuss on next Call 13 Nov

[30.10.13 10:37:51] Bart van Leeuwen: +1

[30.10.13 10:38:14] Carsten Keßler: I can take care of the annotated mission statement, but I need help filling the wiki pages

[30.10.13 10:38:15] Hemant Purohit: (y) sounds like a good plan

[30.10.13 10:38:42] Bart van Leeuwen: first vote on the proposal, then we can assign tasks

[30.10.13 10:39:00] Daniel Link: pro end of next week

[30.10.13 10:39:35] Hemant Purohit: +1 Proposal -- deadline: end of next week

[30.10.13 10:40:21] Bart van Leeuwen: Resolved: By next week have terms in the mission statement draft annoted wiki style. Mail out, and discuss on next Call 13 Nov

[30.10.13 10:40:29] Bart van Leeuwen: Now, how picks up the glove ?

[30.10.13 10:40:40] Bart van Leeuwen: s/how/who

[30.10.13 10:42:18] Bart van Leeuwen: I see a problem there :)

[30.10.13 10:42:47] Hemant Purohit: i can help over the coming weekend to Carsten

[30.10.13 10:42:59] Carsten Keßler: I already said I can take care of the mission statement and the communication around that. If Joseph and some others (also those not on the call) help, this should work out

[30.10.13 10:44:04] Bart van Leeuwen: good

[30.10.13 10:44:17] Bart van Leeuwen: I've asked W3c to enable the issue / action tracker

[30.10.13 10:44:25] Carsten Keßler: (y)

[30.10.13 10:44:37] Joseph Richard Pollack: I can support Carsten in this task ... i guess :-)

[30.10.13 10:44:51] Bart van Leeuwen: did anyone take notes ? or should I copy thre chat log, and draft some minutes from it ?

[30.10.13 10:44:56] Joseph Richard Pollack: it's unfortunate that the wiki doesn't allow pictures

[30.10.13 10:45:17] Carsten Keßler: Why not just copy the chat log?

[30.10.13 10:46:36] Bart van Leeuwen: okay

[30.10.13 10:47:45] Robin Keskisärkkä: In the drafted mission statement it is stated that real world usage of emergency information is to be supported. How is this delimited in terms of included information such as geo-locations, relevant timestamps, related incidents/accidents/failures etc., people involved, resources... Terminology immediately becomes an issue, even when thinking about these things in general terms. It seems to me that some initial vocabulary that is, perhaps, already in use in some context could really be of help here. Any that come to mind?

[30.10.13 10:48:38] Bart van Leeuwen: I have an answer to that question, but I think its outside the scope of the discussion we are having now

[30.10.13 10:49:04] Bart van Leeuwen: I would propose to first conclude that disucssion

[30.10.13 10:49:17] Carsten Keßler: (y)

[30.10.13 10:49:25] Bart van Leeuwen: Does everybody feel happy with the resolution for the mission statement ?

[30.10.13 10:49:35] Carsten Keßler: (y)

[30.10.13 10:49:46] Joseph Richard Pollack: i don't know what F2F means :-(

[30.10.13 10:49:56] Bart van Leeuwen: Face 2 Face

[30.10.13 10:49:57] Joseph Richard Pollack: ah... face 2 face?

[30.10.13 10:50:04] Joseph Richard Pollack: terribly sorry!

[30.10.13 10:50:25] Hemant Purohit: (y)

[30.10.13 10:50:29] Joseph Richard Pollack: then... i vote (y)

[15:51:57] Carsten Keßler: I have to go now. I have copied the chat so far to this wiki page: http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Group_chat_on_Oct_30,_2013 [15:52:24] Bart van Leeuwen: okay i'll format it, extract actions etc [15:52:29] Carsten Keßler: I also wanted to quickly share the news that HXL got funding from HIF, in case you have not seen that yet: http://www.humanitarianinnovation.org/projects/large-grants/UNOCHA [15:52:51] Carsten Keßler: I'll be in touch by email in the next days. See you guys! [15:52:59] Daniel Link: (clap) [15:53:09] Hemant Purohit: super! (y) [15:53:20] Joseph Richard Pollack: saw that a few weeks back - congrats! [15:54:37] Bart van Leeuwen: okay not a voice call [15:54:42] Bart van Leeuwen: but we did move, thats good [15:55:13] Bart van Leeuwen: Robin, as for your question, I'm a big fan of SEM Simple Event Model, which I use as a basis for all my work the Amsterdam Firedepartment [15:55:49] Robin Keskisärkkä: Okay, I'll check it out. [15:56:27] Bart van Leeuwen: I also would like to point you guys at http://www.firebrary.com ( althoug not very much is there yet ) [15:57:01] Bart van Leeuwen: funded by the dutch firedepartment organization, its a frontend for a SKOS-XL based terminology database [15:57:12] Bart van Leeuwen: free for everyone in the domain to contribute to [15:57:59] Hemant Purohit: (y) will check that too, Bart. tx [15:58:19] Bart van Leeuwen: it uses the FAO Agrovoc VOCBENCH2 as backend [15:58:29] Bart van Leeuwen: okay, and last remarks comments ? [15:59:04] Hemant Purohit: nothing from my end. [15:59:56] Bart van Leeuwen: good exactly 1 hour, I'll close the 'call' [16:00:19] Bart van Leeuwen: thanks for your contribution, and lets hope the 13th has better infrastructure Karma