Chair: Jon Gunderson
Date: Wednesday, December 22nd
Time: 12:00 noon to 1:30 pm Eastern Standard Time, USA
Call-in: Tobin Bridge (+1) (617) 252-7000
Chair: Jon Gunderson
Scribe: Ian Jacobs
Present:
David Poehlman
Kitch Barnicle
Gregory J. Rosmaita
Dick Brown
Mickey Quezner
Madeleine Rothberg
Judy Brewer
Regrets:
Agenda [1]
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0723.html
1.IJ: Review techniques for topic 3.2
Status: Pending.
2.IJ: Add clarifying Note to rationale that UAs can turn off control of
content even if it passes content off for rendering.
Status: Pending.
3.IJ: Send proposal to list related to checkpoint for incremental
bpositioning control in multi-media
Status: Pending.
4.IJ: Draft a statement for time of publication, there is no authoritative
body that validates claims of conformance
Status: Pending.
5.IJ: Refer to ATAG definition of "applicability" and propose to
list.
Status: Pending.
6.IJ: In glossary, add WHO definition of impairment, disability, and add
functional limitation
Status: Cancelled due to CG decision.
7.IJ: Repropose simpler Checkpoint for 1.1
Status: Pending.
8.IJ: Repropose the delivery mechanism of conformance statement to allow
documentation as an option
Status: Pending.
9.IJ: Add access to the "class" attribute of an element to
techniques document
Status: Done.
10.IJ: Propose new checkpoint by merging 7.3 and 7.7 to the list
Status: Pending
11.IJ: Propose a technique for using XSL to transform content
Status: Pending.
12.IJ: Write Bryan Campbell/Håkon Lie for clarification and David
Clark, Mark Novak (cc the list).
Status: Pending.
13.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 8.3 to 8.9
Status: Pending.
14.JG: Contact Madelaine Rothberg, Marja, Eric Hanson, Ian send proposal
related to multi-media terminology to AU and GL with history and proposal to
reconcile any current or potential differences between documents.
Status: Done.
15.JG: I will request the bridge for 5 and 12 January at 12:00 EST for
extra conference calls to clear the issues list by early January
Status: Done, confirmed for 5 and 12 Jan.
16.DA: Propose rational to explain why deceleration of multi-media is
important for users with impairments.
Status: Done.
17.DB: Review techniques for Guideline 5
Status: Done
18.DB: Ask IE Team about publication of review of IE 5 and Pri 1
checkpoints.
Status: No news. DB will review himself.
19.DB: Find out how developers find out which appropriate triggers to use
in Windows for using built-in accessibility features (i.e. sound sentry, show
sounds, ...)
Status: Not done.
20.DP: Propose new Checkpoint 1.5 for access to system messages
Status: Not done.
21.DP: Send to the list techniques for how to use and control focus to not
have new windows cause problems for usability. In particular, how this will
work with ATs. JG will send DP's comments to the list.
Status: done
22.EH: Refine proposal on the meaning of "synchornized
alternatives" to the list.
Status: Done (refer to WCAG/UAGL thread)
23.GR: Take WHO definitions of disability, impairment and functional to the
ATAG and GL WGs for consideration in their definitions
Status: Dropped.
24.GR: Send to the list techniques for how to use and control focus to not
have new windows cause problems for usability. In particular, how this will
work with ATs.
Status: Pending.
25.GR: Write a technique on how to create accessible installation
Status: Pending.
26.KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft. Pending
Status: KB: Handed to IJ. Action IJ to carry this forward.
27.MR: Review techniques for topic 3.1 (Multi-media)
Status: Pending.
28.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 4 (Multi-media)
Status: Pending.
29.MK: Write some comments on synchronization in multi-media to the list
Status: Done.
30.MQ: Ask Mark about meaning of comment raised in Issue #167
Status: Pending
MQ: Mark is in Europe...
31.WC: Take form submission to GL WG to discuss issues related to
inadvertent submission.
Status: No news.
1.Web Content is rechartering
2.New telecon weekly day and time for working group start on 6 January 2000 Thursdays, 2-3:30pm (EST, USA), on Longfellow Bridge (+1-617-252-1038)
3.Additional telecons to clear last call issues:
Wednesday, 5 January 2000, 12:00-1:30 EST USA, Longfellow Bridge
(+1-617-252-1038)
Wednesday, 12 January 2000, 12:00-1:30 EST USA, Longfellow Bridge
(+1-617-252-1038)
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#138
IJ: How does "applicability" apply to parts of a checkpoint? Should we split the checkpoint into smaller pieces (which Eric's proposal suggests)? Propose "the requirement" doesn't apply instead of "checkpoint"?
MR: Or "portion of the checkpoint".
MR: New pieces from Eric:
a) Synthesizing auditory descriptions from text.
b) Collated text transcript (excellent idea!).
You can mix captions and text equivalents of auditory descriptions in a single file and include time codes. But this hasn't been specified yet in a W3C Recommendation. How do we deal with technologies that don't exist yet?
JG: Need to move to PF for technologies that don't exist yet.
MR: I thought the issues that needed to be discussed were: a) How to rewrite UA checkpoint to make WCAG and UAGL fit.
MR: "captions" and "auditory descriptions" are all we have today. May want to generalize.
JG: Or, update the Guidelines when the technology exists.
Resolved:
Action Ian: Include language in "applicability" about portions of checkpoints.
Action IJ: Follow up on EH's email with some comments from this meeting.
Refer to W3C Process Document description of Candidate Recommendation
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/Process-19991111/tr.html#RecsCR
JG:
a) Show existing implementations of requirements
b) For that which is not done yet (e.g., DOM for communication of content),
need to demonstrate feasibility and value over current techniques. AND/OR
c) Get commitments from AT developers that they will adopt these solutions.
JB: I recommend that the WG try to accomplish these goals in 3-4 weeks. Keep up momentum. Try to move to Recommendation as early as possible.
KB: I think CR is a good idea. Extra work now, but more convincing to developers.
DP: What does CR add to the spec in terms of deliverables?
IJ: Definitely a deliverable. For example, collate existing reviews to show Director what is already implemented. All reports will strengthen our case with the Director.
JB:
a) Talked with Director who supported time frame I proposed.
b) Refer to process document for specific requirements of what the Director
expects at each request.
MR: Sounds to me that we need to do an implementation report. If almost all are done, we can claim to be ready.
JR: You may find some documented experience even for the DOM.
MQ: PWWebSpeak doesn't rely on IE DOM.
DP: But JFW might. I know Glen Gordon has spoken to that issue a number of times.
Action JG: Draft a preliminary implementation report.
A look at a potential schedule:
14 January to C.R.
11 February end C.R.
18 February start P.R.
17 March end P.R.
?? April Rec.
DB: From conversations with the IE Team, I think there will be DOM support. But I don't know
KB: What is the role of ATs in this implementation report if the GL are for general-purpose browsers.
GR: Need to show:
a) Browsers are implementing the DOM
b) We were correct in judging that ATs could use the DOM. E.g., what would
read-only imply for ATs? (completion of forms, e.g.)
JB: Probably want to ensure that Opera, media player developers, etc. involved in discussions of DOM during CR.
GR: I'm a beta-tester of Opera 4. We have been claiming that you satisfy a lot of requirements by implementing CSS1 and CSS2. It would be good to use CR period to verify this.
GR: Also, use CR period to verify that other user agents besides desktop browsers can use the guidelines.
DP: How does CR get formally announced.
JB: This is new, but:
a) Announce to W3C Advisory Committee
b) Announce to WAI IG
c) Announce by UAGL to targeted community
d) Probably no press release.
GR: (About HAL): I am under the impression that the HAL people want some kind of assurance that the solutions will work before they commit resources.
Action IJ: Verify that "synchronized alternative" not used elsewhere in techniques.
Action MR: Run a multimedia player through the guidelines for January.
Action GR: Run LPPlayer through the guidelines. Verify with Productivity Works.
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#145
IJ: I think the current 3.9 is better wording for what 3.7 is saying. Turning off scripts is a technique for stopping content changes.
GR: I don't like the idea of the merge.
MR: Leave scripts as its own requirement since you don't know what ugly things they may do.
KB: Rationale for 3.9:
a) Timing issue for reading content.
Resolved: 3.7 (scripts on/off) Priority 1 to account for ugly behavior that the user agent can't detect.
Action IJ: Repropose 3.9 as a priority 1.