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WAI UA Telecon for September 16th, 1998


Chair: Jon Gunderson
Date: Wednesday, September 16th
Time: 12:00am to 1:00 Eastern Standard Time
Call-in: +1-617-252-1038


Agenda

12:00-12:10 Update on reformatting

12:10-1:00 Keyboard navigation


Attendance

Harvey Bingham

Marja-Riitta Koivunen

Daniel Dardailler

Jon Gunderson

Kathy Hewitt

Markku T. Hakkinen

Scott Luebking

Jim Allan


Action Items and Conclusions

Update guidelines by next week

Agenda Items for Future Meetings


Minutes

JG: Discussion time

SL: Keyboard navigation e-mail. Any questions.

HB: Concern about spanning cells.

Internationalization issues

How do people skip over scanned tables

SL: the way I was approach it that there would be information about the cell being spanned

HB: that's not what is in the HTML

SL: That is subject to interpretation

JG: How is the position feedback to the user

HB: What about the

MK: Should have more consistency

MH: We will not limit ourselves but what the guidelines, we are doing something better

SL: Navigation and rendering are tied together

HB: HTML 4.0 blurs navigation and rendering

SL: I was not sure how to integrate header information

SL: How often to people want to go from the body to the header section. Move up to the header section and move down to the body section.

HB: What types of rules

SL: I think there is a way of talking to about

MK: The information in HTML in there are specifications for cell orientation

SL: The user doesn't need to go to the top for the row information

The header information is rendered in the cell. The user could configure this in their browser.

MK: I don't think you want to jump back and forth

HB: The current linearization provides for that.

MK: Same with a table that crosses 2 pieces of paper.

HB: Want user option to query table coordinates and headers

SL: Depends on the type of tables, should put headers in the cells

HB: I am going to spanning more than row. The user agent my render a compound information for that row.

MK: Hierarchy of titles

SL: One of the suggestions I had was to mark a cell, and return to a previous cell.

Focus on navigation within a body, more navigation commands within a body. Can return to the last body cell.

HB: That there be row descriptions about the column as it changes

MK: What more do you get when you go to the header

SL: What do you get when have multiple headers

HB: The user should not need to remember how big spans are

JG: What about signal should be given to the 3rd party assistive technology

HB: What the end result should be should be specified

MH: We want to know what the end results

KH: The user agent needs from a browser, rather than how something should be implemented

SL: The navigation that is required cannot be handled on a purely keystroke basis

Requiring the person

MH: We will provide information about the size of the table. People want to only know what they need to know and a way to get more information. You need different types of keyboard models for different types of users.

SL: What are core functionality?

MK: There are only three columns.

JG: What about selection and focus

MH: We are

JG: Selection and focus, should they be included

KH: Highlighting or moving the cursor are two different ways to indicate

HB: Some people would like to hide columns or collapse columns. Is that a user control we would like to have.

SL: There might be a way through user navigation.

HB: I am thinking of a magnified window.

MK: I think this would be handy

On a very small screen it would be useful

SL: Gets tricky with spanned cells

HB: For no spanned cells

JG: Keep the headers

HB: Just related to cell distances, how do people know they are gone

SL: Should they be hidden or moved

MK: They should be collapsed

HB: Some information on that something has disappeared

Allow the user to

JG: Kathy

KH: Windows 98 moving the keyboard focus.

JG: Selection and focus

MH: There is no difference between focus and selection.

If you want to decompose a selection into sub information

You can query images for alt or longdesc

HB: Mark you have given a lot of thought, some

JG: I need to get these topics in my head space

Discussion about collapsing tables:

temporary hiding or collapsing a rows or column

JG: New topics brought up for future telecons

Frames

Applets

SMIL

MathML


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