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EOWGMinutes 16 April 2004 Meeting

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Agenda

agenda in e-mail list archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2004AprJun/0021.html

Attendees

Regrets

Outreach Updates

Minutes

JB: Pulished a response to UK disability rights study to the finding on the relevance WCAG to requirements - posted to list. Comments or questions?

JB: Links to report from Disability Rights Commission. Has policy recommendations which are interesting for EOWG regarding context, training, improved evaluation, access to AT, etc.

RC: no one conforming to AAA, especially interesting for WCAG WG, because working on logos. AAA very difficult - same for 2.0, big problem when trying to tell people about accessibility. Give weight to each point in WCAG 2.0 - looking to Italian version also and others.

JB: are you saying we should have 2 levels?

RC: unsure - has doubts. Sense of continuity between 1st and second.

JB: doubt about retaining 3rd level.

RC: Yes

JB: WCAG WG will be taking issues from end of report and looking to make sure they are among issues to be looked at. Will add issues - they find low level of conformance as well.

HB: Daisy/ISO (Digital Talking Book Meeting at Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic in Princeton). George Kerscher asserted that EO was planning to address the accessibility aspects of Math-ML - I was surprised to see this.

HB: specifically said EOWG would work on it

JB: we'll discuss - unsure what will come of this.

Presenting the Case for Web Accessibility

Background (from agenda):

Summary:

Discussion of final round of changes to this document. Discussed editing issues and how to give credit to editors. Want to develop standard for all EOWG documents.

Minutes:

This document is now titled: Developing a Web Accessibility Business Case for Your Organization

JB: improve acknowledgements section and web-based survey questions for closing doc for now

SLH: Has responded to all commments as of last Wed. If you sent comments last week and did not receive response please let me know. Comments can be viewed at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-eo-editors/

JB: to archive comments for later discussion and public viewing

JB: Anyone planning to send and hasn't yet?

CC: Has some comments that will be sent this afternoon.

JB: Send all comments to editors list: wai-eo-editors@w3.org

JB: Traditional way of working with documents isn't great. Working on new options

JB: One thing is placement - bottom of overview page is where we're leaning. Add section of contributors. Other options were listing whomever had been or was primary hands on editor.

JB: Want to be consistent with other groups but our documents are less formal.

CC: Concerned about movement off and on of list - constant changes.

JB: Yes - currently a pointer to list but not descriptive enought

JB: Difficult to figure out what's best because of turnover

CL: Would be embarrassed to be singled out as an editor because was so long ago. Doesn't represent current document.

CL: Current one is very different (good)

SLH: Instead of being listed as a past editor - substantial contributor would be ok?

CL: Would be ok

JB: to archive comments for later discussion and public viewing

JB: Web based survey to be placed: are you comfortable with version xx/xx/xxxx of document?

AA: deadline - timeline so answered in time

CC: Comfortable with document being up in current form

JB: because not a recommendation track document we have more flexibility. Can post as now and then fix small things noticed later. Will add a comments section to doc - for final review.

RC: read old document believes it is a very good document. Easy to read. Would like to see translations in Italian and other languages.

SLH: A few people said seemed ready to go. Would expect it will be easy for most people to skim through and say ready to go.

JB: Should add document to priority list for translating document.

JB: comments on level of contribution to be added to document.

SLH: Draft reveiwed by EOWG members, and 2nd list, these people substantially contributed to this document. Question is what level of contribution to be "substantial"?

JB: Want these standards to be applicable to other documents

AA: Hard to do - people who've appeared as editors on document obviously. People who've contributed through list or verbally during calls.

AA: Should try to set process for future, but would be hard to do on documents in the past because of length of process.

JB: Are you saying we shouldn't list contributors?

AA: Rule should evolve

JB: Editors discretion on list.

Deliverables Update

Background (from agenda):

http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/EO-Deliverables.html
review for quarterly updating of done, priorities, wishlist etc

Summary:

Discussed changing order of Deliverables for a number of items.

Minutes:

JB: Has been updated today and need to discuss for future deliverables

JB: All 1Q has notes to be moved to other sections

JB: Change Complete 9 and 10 February 2004, Madrid, Spainbest practices training workshop to top of Q1

AA: People could work on General Links on Web Accessibility in next few weeks/months. Maybe a task force

JB: Yes - hard to tell what to put on and what not

AA: Afraid will be pushed off again for another quarter

AA: Would like to see it worked on

JB: Change to Q2 "middle"

HS: Glossary - sent to list today some work on this

JB: Move to Q2 middle?

JB: reach agreement on small subset of terms, compile small compact glossary, and then review. Brainstorm part almost done

HS: Sylvie and Pierre also contributed

JB: any objections to calling brainstorming done then?

JB: Please comment on list to HS's post

JB: Curriculum for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines - Chuck L working on.

SLH: Two new items - can't change pages such as WCAG, etc. (TR documents). People intimidated by all information at top of thse documents. Would like to make a "plain" language page to introduce document

SLH: cover page to slide set as well

SLH: Opportunity we're missing with WAI Quick Tips. Even this page is daunting. We have the information in the Quick Tips

JB: Explain different between that and getting started page.

SLH: Intro to Accessibilty would include a tranformation of Getting Started

JB: Let's go back to top of Q1. Moved a bunch of docs nearly done. Adding a few new items - comments or discussion.

CC: Will have room for Quick tips in Q2?

JB: Could move to Q3?

SLH: Need to have with redesign - depends on how that progress goes.

CC: move the Evaluation Resource Suite?

JB: Got a lot of need for that document now

JB: Propose moving Brainstorm on clean-up and consolidation of Before/After Site Reconstruction Demos to Q3

JB: Will make edits proposed and then we can look at again.

SLH: Complete update of Getting Started: Making a Web Site Accessible - part of redesign. Move up to Q2 and be part of other intros.

HB: Move Complete revision and update of Curriculum for Web Content Accessibility Guidelinesbased on WCAG 2.0

JB: will move to Q1 2005

CC: 1-4 on Q4 could be moved forward?

JB: We hope it will be stabalized by Q4 to make Quick Tips

JB: Myths about Accessibilty - may be completed earlier

HB: Wish list add - Math ML

SLH: Current WG has knowledge to contribute to this?

HB: Accessiblity tool-makers working on it

AA: As topics evolve and membership changes

JB: Other comments welcomed about deliverables document

EOWG Charter

Background (from agenda):

http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/charter4.html
FYI on some charter and process updates underway

Minutes:

JB: Questions, comments on the Charter?

JB: Participation section does have some changes - all ok with this?

JB: Added: Remain aware of related work in other WAI Working Groups

CC: Monstrous job

JB: Harvey does a lot of that now. Maybe not a blanket requirement for all members

CS: Move into group requirement instead of member?

JB: Help track instead?

CC: Essential component of EOWG - hard to do as individuals

JB: Scope section - add to that tracking or remaining aware of

JB: Keep "help with" in member section

JB: Move Implementation Planning Resource Suite http://www.w3.org/WAI/impl/ to Q2 to be finished

Next Meeting

Friday 23 April 2004


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