Meeting minutes
Axe-con
Presentation on feb 25 and link is in agenda
Quantity spin button test plan status
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Quick recap
The meeting focused on resolving conflicts in test plans and discussing an app issue related to non-verbal output support. Matthew led the discussion on quantity spin button and checkbox test plans, addressing conflicts between team members' results. The team agreed to update test results and marked excess verbosity as a negative side effect. They also discussed the problem of inaccurate or...
… incomplete reports due to lack of support for non-verbal outputs like earcons and haptics. Hadi joined the meeting briefly to clarify the new meeting schedule, which is now bi-weekly on alternating Wednesdays. The team agreed to further discuss potential solutions for the non-verbal output issue in the next meeting.
Next steps
* Murray: Update test results for quantity spin button to use "reading cursor position changed" instead of "other" and ensure assertions are marked untestable as appropriate.
* Dean: Review and update checkbox test plan results to ensure output from all relevant keyboard commands is captured and resolve conflicts, aiming to clear up all conflicts today or tomorrow.
* Michael: Review Matthew's AXCON presentation script and provide feedback.
* Hadi: Review issue 1661 (ARIA app issue regarding non-verbal output) and consider any additional consequences or problems for future discussion.
* Matthew: Add to next meeting's agenda the discussion of manually editing output (e.g., noting non-verbal cues like earcons in output boxes) for Apple-related reports, and respond to Apple's feedback.
* Matthew: Send Michael an email with a link to the AXCON presentation Google Doc for review.
* Murray and Dean: test results for quantity spin button that have percentage but not value, to reflect failing the value assertion and record excess verbosity as negative side effect.
Summary
AI Meeting Summary Feature Discussion
The team discussed enabling an AI summary feature for meetings, which Matthew proposed as an alternative or supplement to manual scribing, though he noted concerns about accuracy and timing. Matthew mentioned he would be presenting on screen reader interoperability at XCON on February 25th, and requested volunteers to review his 65% complete script, which will be repurposed for the CSUN...
… presentation. The team agreed to the AI summary feature without opposition, and Matthew invited anyone interested in reviewing his presentation script to contact him.
AXE-CON AI Slide Generation Project Planning
Matthew plans to test AI models by using them to generate slides from his script, which he is currently writing with a target of 4,900 words.
The group discussed whether to cancel their meeting on the 25th due to Axe-Con and March 11 due to CSUN. Agreed to keep Feb 25 meeting. Will cancel March 11 as it would be difficult to meet during that event. Michael and Matthew agreed that Matthew would send an email with a link to his Google Doc and details of what he needs reviewed.
Test Result Conflict Resolution
The team discussed conflicts in test results, particularly focusing on the quantity spin button and quick nav issues. Murray and Dean clarified that the cursor position change was recorded as "reading cursor position changed" and marked as untestable due to the assertion mismatch. They confirmed that stepper and spin button refer to the same Apple role, and Dean noted that voiceover never...
… correctly reports the percentage in test two.
The team discussed conflicts in test results related to quantity spin buttons and checkbox interactions, particularly focusing on VoiceOver's announcement of both values and percentages. They agreed to mark the excess verbosity side effect due to the announcement of percentages.
Earcons
The group also addressed an issue regarding non-verbal output (earcons and haptics) in test reports, with Matthew proposing to add this topic to the next agenda for further discussion. Hadi rejoined the meeting and was informed about the schedule change to bi-weekly meetings every other Wednesday at an earlier time.