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F2F summary

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CarlosD: F2F in Edinburgh was a great meeting, thanks Mark for hosting the meeting
... productive meeting, lot of work on accessibility support
... good progress on Target Size rule, thanks Jean-Yves
... Manual rules are moving on, thanks Kathy
... Giacomo's presentation on WPT, Jean-Yves's presentation on new web stuff, Wilco's presentation on ACT introduction
... Will Wilco's instruction to ACT be available online?

Kathy: it will be after captions

Jean-Yves: will also the other be available?

Kathy: I think so, pending captions and Daniel

ACT standup

Jean-Yves: working on Target size, added reviewers, clean up and added reviewers labels, did some review, many of the new PRs are small, so let's try to get them merged
... Target size #2269

Kathy: discussed the visible label in name PR and its algorithm; one of the questions we had was "how to handle brands or logos?", also talked with Dan to add other examples

Shunguo: reviewed a couple of items

Sage: reviewed label in name and approved it

Wilco: reviewed few PRs, couple of things here and there

giacomo-petri: added few PRs and issues

Element with role attribute has required states and properties - Combobox Failed Example 6 https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/2310

<CarlosD> giacomo-petri: Failed example 6 requires aria-control which was removed in ARIA 1.3

<CarlosD> ... should we remove it?

Shunguo: example 6 is outdated in ARIA 1.3, I agree removing this example

Jean-Yves: I don't think removing one example will change significantly the rule

Shunguo: can we move it to pass?

Jean-Yves: we can't because in ARIA 1.2 is a required attribute

Wilco: ARIA 1.2 says author MUST use it

Shunguo: in aria 1.3 it has been removed

Wilco: it's still failing ARIA 1.3

Jean-Yves: I'm not saying it's passing or failing, but it passes our rule

<Shunguo> https://w3c.github.io/aria/#combobox

Wilco: In first public draft is says: When the popup is displayed, authors MUST set aria-controls on a combobox element to a value that refers to the combobox popup element.

giacomo-petri: that's true, not in the last draft version

Wilco: a bit premature removing it

CarlosD: what's the value keeping it?

Wilco: we are following specs

giacomo-petri: no value for the end user using aria-controls, ARIA group is moving into the direction of removing the requirement

Wilco: it's an editor draft, everything can change, it's not approved
... I'd like evidence that in an expanded combobox it's not useful

CarlosD: giacomo-petri, up to you to provide evidence of UA
... do you have evidence?*
... removing it we still support ARIA 1.2, we apparently are feature proof since ARIA 1.3 seems removing it, but as Wilco said it's still a draft

<CarlosD> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2134

CarlosD: if we remove it now, when ARIA 1.3 will be release probably we have it already done, and the rule still makes sense without it
... do we need a vote?

Wilco: probably not

Group decision: remove Failed Example 6 from the rule

Image not in the accessibility tree is decorative - SVG elements treatment https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/2299

<CarlosD> giacomo-petri: SVG elements are treated differently by user agents

<CarlosD> ... exposing them to AT in different ways

<CarlosD> ... Chrome treats it as images without alt, for example

<CarlosD> giacomo-petri: I've raised it in the ARIA group

Wilco: we need an accessibility support note

CarlosD: agree, point out an acc support note

Wilco: we can define it's not a WCAG violation
... does it impact onw of our rule? Has the issue been opened for one of our rules?

giacomo-petri: yes, https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/rules/e88epe/proposed/
... the applicability: ignored svg: The element is an svg with an empty ("") accessible name and a semantic role of graphics-document;

CarlosD: wait for any feedback from ARIA group, in the meantime update the acc support section

Wilco: Passed Example 4 is passing, but currently failing in some browser

CarlosD: do we all agree having role="none" to pass example 4?

Wilco: also open acc support for this (or use existing issue)

Jean-Yves: setting role="none" vanish the ignored image bit

Shunguo: IMO the condition for ignored svg should be changed
... in applicability, ignored svg, change the condition to role="none/presentation" or aria-hidden="true"

CarlosD: this is already covered by the 1st condition
... 9 participants, amazing!

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