W3C

– DRAFT –
FHIR RDF

07 November 2024

Attendees

Present
David Booth, Detlef Grittner, Erich Bremer, EricP (last 5 minutes), Gaurav Vaidya
Regrets
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Chair
David Booth
Scribe
dbooth

Meeting minutes

I know Larry already.
… He's co-chair for WG23, which is AI group

detlef: What would convince them to adopt RDF?

erich: I've been hearing that end users spend a lot of time homogenizing and ETL-ing data before they can use the data. There's an effort for common vocabs. This is a use case for RDF.
… You want to connect the information to clinical info. how? Allow the data to connect.

detlef: If you want to build out a KG you'll need a lot of converters.
… RDF would help that.
… In my case, linking ICD10 codes

erich: Also, when people publish anything, how do you find the value? Look at citations. Want to include the publication data.
… To link it all together, there's so much effort in connecting it.
… In RDF you can bring that data together a lot faster.

detlef: Also, their data is hierarchical, which doesn't fit well with relational.
… And you can link directly from one doc to another.
… RDF is much better choice than JSON, for example.

erich: Gen vast amounts of data from deep learning pipelines. You can try to put that in JSON in MongoDB, but it's tricky to deal with at that scale.
… Want to pull out features at this scale, and search it. That's my argument for geosparql.
… Good like w trying to do this w MongoDB!
… THrowing it all in a triplestore is hard at scale.
… YOu end up with n log n speed problem.
… I split it apart into independently indexed files. But RDF allows me to link it back together quickly.
… Wouldn't try to attempt this w a relational DB.
… I'm implementing it.
… When DICOM added polygon features, but the left out spacial indexing.
… A POC is not enough. Need to handle it at scale.
… This is why DICOM should use RDF: allows all the pieces to be brought together.

DICOM arrays

w3c/hcls-fhir-rdf#149

erich: I think geospatial is the way to go.
… There's "grid spacing", but no clear guidance on what the grid is
… Sometimes the x and y spacing differs.
… They're proposing an RDF way to specify a spacing. I want to be sure that x and y spacing can differ.
… E.g. 0.43 microns per pixel.
… Still trying to figure out how to do that.
… Virtuoso is still at geosparql 1.0, and Jena is also.

CURIEs in codes

w3c/hcls-fhir-rdf#127

dbooth: Discussed w ITS group yesterday, and they agreed to say "don't put the prefix in the code", but pushed back on also saying "but accept the prefix if it's in there".
… So I took out the part about "but accept the prefix if it's in there".
… The ITS group voted to accept the amended proposal.

https://jira.hl7.org/browse/FHIR-48787

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