W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

16 May 2024

Attendees

Present
Addison, atsushi, Ben, Bert, r12a, xfq
Regrets
JcK
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
xfq

Meeting minutes

Agenda Review

Action Items

<addison> #97

<gb> Action 97 add explainer to next week's agenda (on aphillips) due 2024-05-16

<addison> close #97

<gb> Closed issue #97

<addison> #96

<gb> Action 96 evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02

<addison> #93

<gb> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25

<addison> #90

<gb> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18

<addison> #89

<gb> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18

<addison> #87

<gb> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04

<addison> #79

<gb> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

<addison> #78

<gb> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

<addison> #43

<gb> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18

<addison> #33

<gb> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)

<addison> #12

<gb> Action 12 Upgrade/edit the explainer to address issues raised by google (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> close #12

<gb> Closed issue #12

<addison> #8

<gb> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> #7

<gb> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> #4

<gb> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023

Info Share

addison: Ben Allen from Igalia
… new member
… if you need anything, don't suffer and be silence

Ben: what got me interested in i18n in the first place is I was annoyed in my 1st semester intro to programming class
… when people couldn't do introductory assignments involving use of their own name
… because the number of chars in their name would get counted wrong
… I've been on TC39-TG2 for 1.5 years now
… I just need to get to know the W3C side

r12a: I've been in the W3C for 21 years

Bert: I've been in the W3C for a very long time
… I've been doing CSS, HTML, XML, some privacy stuff
… a lot of different things

atsushi: I'm from Japan
… working in several WGs
… and the Japanese task force

xfq: I'm Fuqiao Xue

RADAR Review

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

xfq: W3C Staff, Internationalization Lead since January this year
… joined the W3C in 2017
… based in Beijing, China

addison: Addison Phillips
… chair and IE of the group

Pending Issue Review

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending

Ruby-t2s-req as a DNOTE?

addison: there was an email from fantasai
… about converting one of Murata-san's document into a draft note

<addison> https://w3c.github.io/ruby-t2s-req/

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2024May/0002.html

addison: there were a couple of emails on our member list about it

atsushi: I have no additional info other than Murata-san shared in the email
… he's working on this and will finish it

xfq: @@1
… we can wait Murata-san to work on it

Is the string-meta explainer finished?

addison: anything else on that?

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md

addison: see ^

addison: is this document done or does it need more work?

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/blob/gh-pages/explainers/string-meta-explainer.md#if-i-have-direction-metadata-how-can-i-make-use-of-it-in-apis-or-display-frameworks-are-there-apis-that-use-this-metadata

addison: ongoing work to convert the API reference section to an article

r12a: there's a piece of text with a brown background
… is it supposed to be like that?

addison: because it's not really JSON
… because we have "..."

r12a: it looks like the document is broken

xfq: maybe you can use three three backticks in a row, without 'json' after it
… for the fenced code blocks

addison: yeah, that would get rid of the brown

<addison> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/explainers/bidi-html-demo.html?item=4&dir=rtl

addison: there was a thread somewhere about the Arabic text
… sent by Najib

xfq: it's about another page, but the text is probably the same

addison: if you go down underneath References, you'll see very small little numbers and text
… those are footnotes in Markdown
… I could convert these to just plain links

r12a: it would be a lot easier
… because you've got the same kind of numbering going on in References
… that doesn't look terribly prominent

xfq: the API reference section will be removed once we have the article, right?

addison: yeahk, we'll probably have a link to the article
… rather than maintaining it in 2 places

xfq: the Chinese and Japanese examples also link to the "Bidirectional Text Demo" page

addison: yes, it should select the correct font there

xfq: maybe we should rename the "Bidirectional Text Demo" page to something more general
… because it also demonstrates non-bidi text

addison: maybe we call it "string-meta demo"

雪, 刃, 直, 令, 垔 (Japanese)

雪, 刃, 直, 令, 垔 (Simplfied Chinese)

r12a: the first line is Japanese
… Kaku Gothic
… the second is PingFang

addison: that's your system
… the Markdown has <span lang=ja/zh-Hans>
… your browser should demonstrate the difference between the chars visually based on the language selection
… my browser does a decent job

https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/index.en.html

https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/index.en.html#text_processing

[Discuss SC/TC/Japanese font selection]

ACTION: richard: fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases

<gb> Created action #98

xfq: https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/index-data/codepoints#fig_ja_zh_fonts uses zh instead of zh-Hant
… but it should use zh-Hant instead

<Najib> HI

<Najib> If necessary, action on me to provide a new text for the Arabic example.

<Najib> It appears also elsewhere.

<addison> yes, please: did you already do that in the issue with richard?

<Najib> ?

ACTION: najib: provide new arabic example text for explainer

<gb> Cannot create action. Validation failed. Maybe najib is not a valid user for w3c/i18n-actions?

<Najib> May be

ACTION: ntounsi: provide new arabic example text for explainer

<gb> Cannot create action. Validation failed. Maybe ntounsi is not a valid user for w3c/i18n-actions?

<Najib> I already had actions

<Najib> Please go ahead.

AOB?

w3c/i18n-drafts#550

<gb> Pull Request 550 Update the titles of the techniques page (by xfq)

xfq: see the PR ^

addison: it looks weird to me to have an article with non-title case title

https://w3c.studio24.net/docs/proposed-site-map-v2/#sentence-case-for-navigation-labels-and-headings

addison: I don't care that much, but I think it looks weird

r12a: well, only if you're volunteering to change all of the article titles

addison: I'm not volunteering to do any work on this ;-)

Summary of action items

  1. richard: fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases
  2. najib: provide new arabic example text for explainer
  3. ntounsi: provide new arabic example text for explainer
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All speakers: addison, atsushi, Ben, Bert, r12a, xfq

Active on IRC: addison, Najib, xfq