Meeting minutes
Chinese Layout Requirements Links (Draft)
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xfq: He created this document to accompany clreq with some links. Do you have any feedback?
[xfq introduces the document]
huijing: What if some features are only available in Chinese, or in some other language?
xfq: Generally it can be classified into one of these categories. If not, we can add a new category/section.
huijing: we should triage our clreq issues
Eric: I haven't read this document carefully yet
huijing: where is this document?
xfq: it's in https://
<Eric> https://
<Eric> In its 'main' category, CLDR lists 2,210 characters for the Simplified Chinese orthography, and 2,180 for Traditional Chinese. Combined, this includes 3,026 unique characters, and an overlap of 1,064 characters. A working set of characters for modern Chinese may include 3 times this number, and the Unicode Standard includes approaching 100,000 Han characters, many of which are archaic or esoteric.
Eiso: There are a lot of problems with CLDR's numbers
Eric: I never expected that he would find the number of Chinese characters from CLDR
… There are 3,500 commonly used characters in Mainland China
[Discuss the number of commonly used Chinese characters]
huijing: I think standards from various places should be listed and CLDR should not be quoted.
Eric: yes, listing the number from CLDR is strange
Eric: The structure of the document is fine, but the specific text may need to be adjusted.
Eric: If we're not in a hurry to publish this, I'd like to take a closer look first
xfq: no, we're not in a hurry
Eric: where should I send the feedback?
xfq: you can create an issue in w3c/clreq
Eiso: it says "Chinese has no combining marks"
Eiso: is that really true?
Eiso: In university textbooks, Chinese opera (especially Kunqu), etc., it is often necessary to use the four combining marks U+302A - U+302D that represent tones.
xfq: It will make the section too long to expand on it. We can say that "Chinese has no commonly used combining marks".
Eiso: I created w3c/
Eric: "Words are not separated by spaces or any other character"
… This is not entirely accurate. Words in children’s books and Chinese-language books for foreigners are separated by spaces.
… we can add words like "Words are usually not separated by spaces"
[Yijun joins]
Go through the pull request list
https://
w3c/clreq#603
[xfq introduces the changes]
huijing: looks good to me
xfq: any comments?
[silence]
xfq: I'll merge it then
w3c/clreq#606
All: OK to merge
w3c/clreq#607
All: OK to merge
w3c/clreq#608
xfq: List elements need p elements inside them, and link anchors must go on the li tag.
xfq: In our current convention, we do not manually add spaces between Chinese text and Arabic numerals, so please remove them.
huijing: I will update the PR
w3c/clreq#609
All: OK to merge
Go through the issue list
https://
w3c/clreq#614
Eric: I think #614 can be closed
… I have answered @yisibl's question
xfq: General Rules for Punctuation (GB/T 15834—2011) conflicts with § 3.1.6.2 Adjustment of adjacent punctuation marks
Eric: Or we can add a sentence, saying that although General Rules for Punctuation (GB/T 15834—2011) said it's 1 em, it can also be handled according to the method in § 3.1.6.2 Adjustment of adjacent punctuation marks.
Zhengyu: Or we can rewrite the text. We can mention the method in § 3.1.6.2 in the main text, and then mention the national standard in a note.
Eric: prioritize the method in § 3.1.6.2, right?
Zhengyu: yes
[Discuss specific texts]
Zhengyu: to make Chinese fonts that contain U+2047 DOUBLE QUESTION MARK [⁇], U+203C DOUBLE EXCLAMATION MARK [‼], U+2048 QUESTION EXCLAMATION MARK [⁈], and U+2049 EXCLAMATION QUESTION MARK [⁉], should they be 1 em or 1.5 em?
Eric: That's font companies' problem
Zhengyu: this is a complicated issue
[Discuss specific texts]
Eiso: there are also normalization issues
Eiso: they might be normalized to ASCII punctuation
Eric: https://
Eric: but they should not be used at all
Zhengyu: I agree with Eric
Eiso: agreed
… you can't find a letter that looks like A and use it as a Latin letter
[Discuss the note]
Zhengyu: text online often contains 5 or more consecutive exclamation points.
xfq: we should also consider vertical text
Eric: the whole section needs to be rewritten
Eric: I'll propose some text in #614
xfq: we also have #51
xfq: After solving the issue, both of them can be closed.
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