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ACT Rules Community Group Teleconference

25 Apr 2024

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Dan_Tripp, Helen, Jean-Yves, giacomo-petri, giacomo-petri8
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(introductions)

Call for review https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/461

jean-yves: none. closed some recently.

Assigned issues https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues?page=1&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen

jean-yves: done 2 things. 1) break down target size rule. pr 2182.

that rule doesn't make sense on it's own. but easier to get reviews.

2) playing with idea about 'boundary examples'. eg. passed example failing the rule.

helen: been working on secondary requirements PR.
... updating subjectivity.

giacomo: added a few items into PRs. eg. 2161. waiting for mark rogers.

jean-yves: don't wait long.

giacomo: eg. added a few examples with shadow roots.
... b/c ppl assume that text shadow is enough to pass.

<Jean-Yves> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22reviewers+wanted%22

jean-yves: for the newcomers: add a review with this link (above).

<Jean-Yves> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22beginner+issue%22

jean-yves: we also have beginner issues:

(link?)

Update from the ACT Task Force https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/522/files

helen: TF has had no meetings for last 2 weeks.
... TF discussed subjectivity. that's the main difficulty w/ manual testing rules. trying to make sure that subjectiveness is either called out, or made as non-subjective as possible.
... still need volunteers.

<gab> I'm interested in writing manual tests

helen: reason: ACT rules help shape wcag 3.

jean-yves: need github special access only to write. not read.

Update from Manual Test Rules subgroup https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1952

"Zoomed text node is not clipped with CSS overflow": "link to a full version": source unclear https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/2163

giacomo: can bring it up in friday meeting w/ wcag

ricky: (resize / reflow): tpgi is wrestling with this.
... no easy answers. partly wrestling with wcag wording. and wrestling w/ what we're trying to solve. not the same thing.

jean-yves: text is clipped, failure technique: if it passes with /any/ of the user techniques, it passes?
... then the examples in failing technique are actually passing. open issues in wcag.
... it's weird. everybody's struggling on that.
... coming from TF?
... rule checks: if you have 2 iframe w/ same name, they have same purpose.
... similar rule exists for links. but link name criteria requires link name to be descriptive. but 4.1.2 only says that there is a name.
... if iframe name doesn't need to be descriptive, then how can it be a problem that two iframes have the same name?

helen: difficult for iframes which are adverts.

jean-yves: are such iframes interface components?
... we do that via assumption.

giacomo: we can use SC 2.4.6 (headings and labels).
... 2.4.6 requires descriptive labels. so use it instead of 4.1.2.

jean-yves: if they are both adverts, it's ok that they have the same name.
... there's a long discussion on wcag re: does 4.1.2 require acc name to be descriptive?
... we should follow what wcag decides.
... should we use a secondary mapping?
... there's a change in wcag saying: name must be appropriate.

helen: like with buttons. could be not a failure technically, but not a good user experience.

jean-yves: understanding wcag document it going in the direction of: it needs to be a /good/ name.
... maybe we should change the assumption: we assume that the name is good / "appropriate".
... and maybe add secondary SC mappings.
... what do people think: ... for two adverts, it's the same function, so same name is okay. and add secondary SC mapping.

<Helen> +1

helen: +1

<Jean-Yves> -q

"Programmatically Determined Link Context" definition is too broad https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/2176

jean-yves: our definition is currently ~ get all the ancestor display blocks.
... so same paragraph, two different sentences, is same context. this contradicts wcag's definition.
... carlos did research. there's no linguistic definition of sentence that will work across languages.
... should we raise an issue to wcag saying that their statement on AT behaviour re: sentences is wrong?

giacomo: yes.

jean-yves: once we have a wcag decision, we can move on.

giacomo: I'll open wcag bug.

(closing comments)

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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