<CarlosD> scribe+ Helen
Carlos: Introduces Jedi and then himself
Jean-Yves: Introduces himself
Wilco: Introduces himself
Dan: Introduces himself
Mark: Introduces himself
Helen: Introduces herself
Jedi: Introduces himself
Carlos: We have 1 call for review
Carlos: This PR started during
our catch up in Seville at TPAC
... to include fonts that are not traditional Western
ones
... We got it approved and this is where Jedi and Bobby are
needed to let us know the issues with fonts to help improve
it
Jedi: It takes a lot of time to
review this due to our government agencies, and they just
published a document that it is 14 pts in English but 16 points
in Chinese
... This is different in Japanese for the requirements from
Chinese
... We need to enforce the limitations to allow for any CJK
language to work with the size of the font requirements
... I also want to say that even in Chinese there are different
rules or approaches/needs to consider
Jean-Yves: From what I understand
the same character can be used in more than 1 language and we
need to cater for all the different needs
... we need to work out the small size for 4.5:1 for
characters, and large for 3:1, and then we have variations
where it is not clear so we should default to 3:1
... Some would pass 3:1 but should pass 4.5:1
... This can be set objectively once we know the limits of the
languages
Wilco: I would like to know why the same character used in one language and passes would fail in another language
Jedi: In our culture we would display Japanese characters inline with Chinese, so people as used to them
Wilco: So borrowed words/phrases
from a different language
... like if you mix Latin with Japanese and Chinese? What do we
take - the highest one?
Helen: We should just make 3:1 N/A to make it easier
Carlos: Do we need anymore or can we proceed?
Wilco: Thanks Jedi!
... Would you be ok in helping us out in the TF as well?
Carlos: We have 0 issues as my
computer overlord has forced me to do more efficient work
... can people look at 1845 please?
Jean-Yves: I have 1919 and 2076
<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/2147
Wilco: I have the PR 2.2 wrapped up ready to be merged
Dan: Nothing done but worked on
the discussion and doing fabulous work
... I will work on my others this week
Mark: I've been looking at the
target size one and false positives like a video button with a
frame surrounding it but the bounding boxes are correct
... It got reported and Adrian Roselli found other issues that
are causing trouble too as the understanding document is left
open to interpretation
... Patrick Lauke also weighed in - and this is making writing
the rule difficult
Wilco: Will it impact the AAA target size rule?
Mark: If there are some interactions then there may have impacts on the enhanced rule
Carlos: We will keep an eye for now
Mark: I also am looking at the
iframe title items like adding the role of presentation it
completely breaks the frame and it will announce HTML code of
the content in the frame
... The other thing that may affect this is an ADA Peabod case
as they flagged unlabelled frames as part of the case - might
be worth checking with US people in case it applies
elsewhere
Helen: Working on things
Wilco: Still working on the
working draft and subjectivity to be wrapped up to be sent to
you guys to review
... Please come on Feb the 8th for where we go next
<CarlosD> scribe+ CarlosD
<CarlosD> Helen: TF been working on subjectivity for test rules, which will be really useful for manual rules
<CarlosD> ... Dan's been preparing examples for tests with speech recognition users
<Wilco> https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/act/rules/qt1vmo/
<CarlosD> ... And I already have a set of participants drafted for testing
<CarlosD> Wilco: Can we use the Image accessible name is descriptive as a template to write X is descriptive?
<CarlosD> Helen: I can look at this when I get more time
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Jean-Yves: We had a long
discussion so will skip to the next item
... This is looking in the role load on which element
... Should this rule apply to items not in the accessibility
tree?
... The issue is only causing issues programmatic issues but
the user does not see it - so it is like a 4.1.1 issues that is
no longer relevant
Helen: Made a mistake on the last comment - it is not like 4.1.1 at all
Carlos: Should we have 2 rules, one for elements on the AT and one for those that are hidden
Jean-Yves: There are issues with
the focusable items not being focused due to the rule
applied
... There is a legalese issue of if it is an author role and
causing issues...
Wilco: I don't think we should fail a hidden element having a wrong role as will not impact the user
Carlos: I agree we should ignore hidden items
Wilco: We can add to the background for the items not in the AT
Jean-Yves: That makes sense - but
we would not have inapplicable item that is not visible in the
AT with the wrong role
... also for the presentation role on a button as conflicts
with the trigger?
Wilco: This is about the explicit role and the role presentation is different?
Jean-Yves: I think ARIA WG is working on the conflict with the role of presentation.
Wilco: We should maybe make this about items not hidden?
Jean-Yves: I will look into it
Carlos: Final thoughts?
Wilco: Loved the feedback from Jedi
Jean-Yves: I loved that too and people returning
Dan: Interesting listening
Mark: I will get the results added
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