W3C

– DRAFT –
WoT-WG/IG

24 January 2024

Attendees

Present
Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
-
Chair
Koster, McCool, Sebastian
Scribe
mahda-noura, mjk

Meeting minutes

Main Call Topics

Guests, New Members, IEs

Koster: we have an invited expert request

Kaz: I will contact this person and ask about his interest in the CG, but if contribution for WG is required we need to discuss this in the main call
… think we also should clarify this as a policy explicitly.

Koster: we need a policy of their contributions

Ege: somebody has also approached me for an IE request

Ege: I think there should be a policy document about it

<Ege> dtex/j5e seems to be from this guy

Kaz: there is some basic plicy about IE in general, the WoT working group have been clarifying their additional policy

Kaz: we require the invited expert to make a presentation

McCool: we need to create an issue for this

Ege: will do this

Minutes

<kaz> Jan-17

Koster: minutes published with no objection

Notices

Koster: are there any notices?

Lagally: : I was asked to write a blog article about the publication REC document, if somebody would be interested to review the draft feel free to let me know

Meeting Schedule Changes

Koster: we have a policy updates today after the main call
… next week a meeting to discuss IG charter

Cancellation

Koster: we have some in February but nothing new, the calender has been updated

Rescheduling

Koster: security and discovery are currently susspended but will take place again soon

Kaz: we should add publication schedule as in item to the schedule

Lagally: on the publication of the documents can we also add the profile document
… we should work on a plan to get this work completed, in Nov there was a conversation about finding a TF for this, there is interest to complete this document
… Luca indicated interest to take TF leadership
… I would be able to attend the call and help Luca with the transition

Kaz: we still need to talk about the working group planning and clarify which specifications to be worked on

<mlagally> proposal: Resume the profile task force work under new TF chair Luca Barbato on Feb 19th.

Publications

Koster: anything on publications?

(none)

Resources

Koster: For TD there are still some outstanding items for resources

Kaz: we have joint discussion in the call tomorrow, we can hear from the discussions later next week

Meetups

WoT CG

Koster: no new update

Cristiano: Ege and I will have a talk on Global summit and we will have a talk on node-wot

Liaisons

(no specific updated)

TF Reports

Scripting TF

Cristiano: we are active and we are working on issues and figure out what we will do, we are finding more user stories and assessing bi-weekly meetings

Daniel: we also look into improving our support for discovery, but ongoing work

Security

Kaz: this TF is currently susspended
… also discovery

Marketing

(none)

Use Cases

Tomoaki: this week i updated the document based on last discussions, and we discussed use case definitions, requirement analysis and gap analysos.

Koster: any other discussion on the use cases?

(none)

Plugfest/Testing

Kaz: maybe in the wiki we can add suspend in the TF that are currently not active
… architecture is also not active

TD

Koster: we talked about the use cases, we split the meeting into two sessions

<kaz> [10-min break]

WG Planning

Sebastian: opening the session on WG planning
… Topics are policies, project management, Berlin event, TF sustaining
… any other topics?

Sebastian: topic: policies
… review of github issues

<sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/policies

Sebastian: summarizes process for policies
… starting with a proposal for a policy and a github issue to motivate and track

issue #1171

<kaz> Issue 1171 - [Policy Proposal] Invite Expert Selection Procedure

Kaz: earlier today we discussed the IE policy and this issue captures the points from that discussion

Kaz: will write up more as a PR

Issue #1168 - policy on assertion IDs

<kaz> Issue 1168 - WoT-wide general policy on assertion ids

Sebastian: this makes sense to have a well known encoding of IDs

Sebastian: we could align with an RDF namespace
… are there any comments on this?

Kaz: we can start with the current practices
… from Architecture, Discovery, and TD

Sebastian: is there a document?

Kaz: no, we need to clarify what we have been doing, McCool and Ege could help

McCool: what we have been doing is random

McCool: we should get the IDs cleaned up before we start another round

Sebastian: discovered an issue with the links and name conflicts

McCool: also issue with terms not matching descriptions in ontologies

Kaz: so we should start with the current scheme and improve from there

Daniel: There is a respec issue we could fix by patching the HTML to resolve the link issue

Ege: IDs aren't random per se, they are assigned by the spec editors
… alignment with RDF namespaces can be done but there are other issues

Sebastian: we didn't mean random IDs but rather not well managed

Sebastian: can we get a proposal?

Ege: I can make some suggestions

Kaz: starting with the current TD approach and refined from there

Issue # 1166 - Versioning Resources

<kaz> Issue 1166 - [Policy Proposal] Versioning Resources

McCool: we need to figure out a version scheme for recources
… we plan to discuss it in the TD meeting tomorrow (Thursday)

Daniel: We have an issue that it's not easy to point to a specific version of all resources and artifacts
… and use semantic versioning

<kaz> acm m

Mahda: all resources and documents need to be versioned

Issue #1117 - Roles and Responsibilities

<kaz> Issue 1117 - [Policy Proposal] Roles and responsibilities within the WG/IG

Sebastian: we should put roles and responsibilities in one place
… started to create a document collecting these
… any comments or questions?

Kaz: will we consolidate the policies into a single document?

Sebastian: some of these roles are already defines by W3C

Kaz: it will be good to have this all consolidated

Sebastian: any other policy items?

Project Management

Sebastian: there is a proposal from Ege
… categories are proposed to sort issues
… the proposal is to assign issues and track progress
… it's a standard process for software development
… personally like this approach, and we are already doing some of this process
… this would make it more formal

Ege: proposal is to align with the use case pipeline

Kaz: there should be 2 layers of process management, there is a higher level of use case management to lower level of concrete tasks

<kaz> Mizushima's high-level process proposal

Kaz: the higher level is from the use case discussion and documented in the process.md document

Sebastian: the high level includes gap analysis, etc.
… this goes hand in hand with the development process

Sebastian: what is the next step? Is there a new policy?

Kaz: The use case TF and TD TF should continue to work on both levels until February and work toward convergence
… not necessarily a new policy

<MIzushima_> +1

Sebastian: The project management proposals are already merged

Issue # 1170

<kaz> Issue 1170 - Liaison and Collaboration for WoT 2.0 Charter

Kaz: this is a reminder that we need to continue to work on how to describe liaisons and collaboration
… Kaz can generate a basic template if it's OK with the chairs

Sebastian: yes, please

ACTION: kaz to generate an initial template for liaison/collab

Kaz: assign to me (Kaz)

Issue # 1167

Ege: there is overlap between the Use Case document and the Architecture document
… Similar high level content
… we need to align this in some way
… we need to make it clear to outside readers

Sebastian: there are some other questions about the Architecture document we also need to clarify
… Also agree we need to consolidate the content

Kaz: agree, and what is more important is the Use Case TF reviews all of the use cases, including the ones in the Architecture document, so we don't miss any important use cases

Ege: we need to agree on the purpose of the Architecture and Use Case documents and eliminate the overlap

Tomoaki: the use cases in the Architecture document are different and we need to include both

Sebastian: The architecture document is a snapshot of use cases

Kaz: we should discuss this in the Architecture meeting and see if there is anything needed to contribute to use cases
… we need a collaborative discussion including both TFs

Ege: Architecture content can be included in the UCR document as a generic introduction

<McCool_> time check - 2m left

Ege: The architecture document can focus on architecture

McCool: we should decide priorities of task forces and spin up the high priority ones

Sebastian: suggest that we continue this discussion in the main call next week

Kaz: next week is IG charter and can resume this discussion in 2 weeks

Sebastian: adjourn the main call

<kaz> [adjourned]

Ege: start TD at 5 past

Summary of action items

  1. kaz to generate an initial template for liaison/collab
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).