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Jean-Yves: Nothing in 1-week
call
... The CJK PR is on two-weeks call
Jean-Yves: Worked on #2038, PR
opened today
... need reviews on #2076, #1919
CarlosD: No progress to report
dan_tripp: Waiting for Kathy's PR to be merged before continuing
Jean-Yves: PR merged, so you can continue
Wilco: Need work on migration to
WCAG2.2
... And two PRs that I can merge
Jean-Yves: Perhaps we could purge the list of members of the group that have been inactive
Wilco: Published 5 new approved
rules
... push back on "Heading describes content"
... AG was not happy with it applying to only the heading and
the immediately following content
... so it's going back to TF
... Rules Format 1.1 is nearly done
Wilco: still need some work on
subjective applicability
... we are proposing to change the MUST requirement on
objectivity of the applicability to a SHOULD requirement
<Wilco> https://github.com/w3c/wcag-act/pull/556/files
Jean-Yves: We will need to update the rules to describe their format version
Wilco: Accessibility support and
the Assumptions are now subsections of the Background
... When 1.1 is published we will start updating the
rules
... first PWD will be out soon and it will have an explicit
request for review to the CG
Wilco: I'm not sure how aria-busy is used by AT
Jean-Yves: There is an implicit case that the page should be loaded before the audit
Wilco: There are things you want
to test while the page is loading... it shouldn't flicker while
it's loading
... aria-busy is only supported in JAWS
... (looking up what it does according to a11y support)
... JAWS seems to skip the content
Jean-Yves: We should include that in the background
CarlosD: All rules that use the accessibility tree
Jean-Yves: Can we include it in
the common input aspect?
... Mention it in the accessibility tree descrition
Wilco: I think this more like the presentational role conflict and we do have notes about that
Jean-Yves: It would be good to have it automated... if there is an accessibility tree and includes a paragraph about it
Wilco: We could do that, putting something in the frontmatter
Jean-Yves: This is about table rules that do not work in ARIA
Wilco: The aria-owns thing seems obvious
Jean-Yves: Is it widely used?
Wilco: I hope not!
Jean-Yves: Is it picked correctly by screen readers?
Wilco: I don't think VO supports
aria-owns
... Do we need to test this?
... There is no spec for this...
Jean-Yves: Given the complexity
of the html assignment algorithm I don't want to move this to
aria
... Maybe we should handle aria tables in a different rule
Wilco: I think that is the right
way to do it
... and raise an issue with aria to define how it should
work
Jean-Yves: So we should pick up
on the work of Aron in #1971
... Anne raised this issue about implementations that use
implicit roles when only explicit roles are applicable
... Anne raised the question that tools that do not respect the
applicability should not be consistent
... I think our mappings are loose enough to support tools that
do not implement the rule exactly
Wilco: I have been getting push back about this rule, with people questioning if failing this is a WCAG failure
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