W3C

– DRAFT –
Chinese Layout Task Force Teleconference

14 December 2023

Attendees

Present
Bobby, Eiso, Eric, xfq, Yijun, Zhengyu
Regrets
huijing
Chair
xfq
Scribe
xfq

Meeting minutes

w3c/clreq#530

[xfq introduces the issue]

xfq: any comments on Yijun's proposal at w3c/clreq#530 (comment) ?

xfq: current text is in https://w3c.github.io/clreq/#id69

Yijun: I'll raise a PR

w3c/clreq#578

[xfq introduces the PR and the related issue]

xfq: The term character is often used to mean different things in different contexts: it can variously refer to the visual, logical, or byte-level representation of a given piece of text.

[Discuss the terminology]

Yijun: Latin letters and Chinese characters may not have the same orientation

[Coninue to discuss the terminology]

xfq: I'll raise a PR according to our discussions today

w3c/clreq#568

[Discuss xfq's comment at w3c/clreq#568 (comment) ]

Eiso: 其他文种 is also problematic, like for Japanese

Yijun: if there's a book called 残念, is it a Japanese book or a Chinese book?

Yijun: Personally, I don't think this needs to be mentioned in clreq
… This should be the author's own judgement

Eric: I think it could be written as a note

Yijun: agreed
… but not in the main text

Eric: we can write something like this:

Eric: "There are different editing styles from region to region, for example, we can write it like this blah blah blah"
… this is about the usage of book title marks

[Discuss the convention for quotation marks]

Zhengyu: as I mentioned in previous discussions, if we list 5 books, and the 5 books are written in 5 different languages, in this case we tend to use only the Chinese book title marks

Eric: CY/T 154—2017《中文出版物夹用英文的编辑规范》 is only about English

Zhengyu: We can say the author can do whatever they want, there is no one standard convention

Eiso: for things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2046_(film)

Eiso: it's not clear it's Chinese or other languages

Zhengyu: In this case, the book title marks are needed to indicate that this is a work

Eiso: the song "TiAmo" is actually a Chinese song, not Italian

Yijun: should we add the note?

Zhengyu: I think we should

Eric: +1

<xfq> +1

Eric: Eiso, can you write the note?

Eiso: OK

Next teleconference time

January 17 (Wednesday), 19:00-20:00 (UTC+8)

AOB

Eric: HOMEWORK

Eric: please review w3c/clreq#109 (comment) and https://www.w3.org/TR/css-text-4/#text-spacing-trim-property

Eiso: see also https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2023/23283-auto-spacing-prop.pdf

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