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RQTF meeting

06 December 2023

Attendees

Present
DavidSwallow, janina, jasonjgw, Roy, scott, scott_h
Regrets
-
Chair
jasonjgw
Scribe
janina, jasonjgw

Meeting minutes

Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.

jasonjgw: Noting issues 58 & 59 closed with comment.

Janina: plans to review the document in case of modifications that can be made to take further account of COGA issues.

DavidSwallow: Taking up issue 55 ...

Janina: notes our remit is Web applications; desktop applications are out of scope.

<DavidSwallow> #56: In the first paragraph of '1.2 Distinctive features of collaboration tools', consider replacing "web application or with application software in general" with "web applications and software applications in general" as there could be several options.

<gb> Issue 56 [not found]

jasonjgw: Checking whether that's still text in the current draft ...

DavidSwallow: It is still there

DavidSwallow: Clarifying grammatical number issue

jasonjgw: Will push the change now.

DavidSwallow: Issue 54

Janina: this is a matter of common interface strategy; we need to adopt conventions that have been established (common keyboard commands etc.). Having an example would be useful.

Janina queries what the proposed example amounts to - that right-click should - should not - invoke a context menu?

[Group is inclined to accept in a general way, but the example doesn't seem the best example.]

DavidSwallow: issue 53

DavidSwallow: A bit like Content Usable in issue 59

<janina> s/content usable/Content Usable/

Janina: inclined to accept, but the reference should be to WCAG 2.2.

Janina: we can only normatively refer to/require what is in WCAG 2.2.

[we accept with above amendments]

Janina suggests Content Usable is a suitable reference for the bibliography.

jasonjgw: Will take the action

DavidSwallow: Issue 52

<DavidSwallow> "For collaboration tools that also allow document editing, editing tools/collaboration tools should be available, as well as a view, in a method that is very familiar to both document editors and collaborators."

scott_h: Wonders whether this relates to standard interaction paradigms as we discuss

scott_h: obviously, getting a browser to mimic desktop behavior is tricky at best

jasonjgw: What's familiar to one could be unfamiliar to someone else. So, gating on "familiar" is problematic.

janina: Suggests a few examples might help us tease out the design pattern COGA is thinking of

DavidSwallow: 51

DavidSwallow: Add new section after "Suggested Changes" sections

DavidSwallow: Make discovering permissions straight forward

scott_h: Broadly supportive of this

jasonjgw: Also inclined to accept, but not sure it belongs there

janina: Or as its own section?

jasonjgw: multi-user access controls

scott_h: Agree it's just discovery and should be easier to do

jasonjgw: Worried about varyingpermissions across sections/parts of a document

janina: That only escaltes need to discover accessibly what permissions pertain at current focus locus

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Jason: worries that a requirement mentioned in an introductory section but not in the main text will be overlooked.

scott: Inclined to say it does belong in this list

janina: Yes to putting in this list, but expounding on access control section elsewhere in the document as well

jasonjgw: Will take up an access control section and then enumerate something in this intro list

DavidSwallow: issue 50

DavidSwallow: A sentence about reviewing history

<DavidSwallow> "The ability to review history easily can be especially important for people who need to remember how something happened or changed."

[disposition is that a better explanation of what's missing from version control could go elsewhere in CTAUR, but this section is an introductory scoping section only, not feature explanatory]

jasonjgw: Actioned to close with comment

DavidSwallow: issue 49

<DavidSwallow> "Use plain language names for each feature or process. Example: Using words like "fork" do not describe the feature using concrete language related to the task. Use chat instead of IRC."

DavidSwallow: plain lang -- but seems out of place for the same reasons

janina: plain to who? The audience is developers, not Joe Sixpack

jasonjgw: Yes

jasonjgw: if you don't use the expected term, your meaning can be lost

scott: Agree--We ran into this in RAUR.

janina: Yes this is about introducing COGA reqs, but the audience is developers who expect certain terminology

[we do not accept as described above]

jasonjgw: Action close with comment

scott: Notes some good info in recent plan lang standard

jasonjgw: topic:

COGA asking for RQTF research process documentation?

scott: I wrote a draft but we had no comments

jasonjgw: Exactly. It didn't go further because no comments

janina: Need to find the link

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

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All speakers: DavidSwallow, Janina, Jason, jasonjgw, scott, scott_h

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