W3C

– DRAFT –
Oct W3C Global Chapters and Evangelists Meeting.

17 October 2023

Attendees

Present
angel, Bill_Kasdorf, LuisM, Mohamud, naomi, Nayef, Rachel, Wonsuk, Wonsuk_Lee
Regrets
-
Chair
Angel
Scribe
naomi

Meeting minutes

angel: Have not had the honor to meet all of you. Please let me introduce myself. My name is Anqi Li, feel free to call me my English name Angel. I've been with W3C since 2006.
… I ran W3C China Office until 2013 when W3C launched its Host in China, and worked as the site manager of W3C China site.
… worked with Alan on business development
… co-chaired the Governance TF to design the governance structure of W3C before W3C became a legal entity
… as well as chaired the Host to Partner TF for the transition of W3C host to Partner
… I offered to take care of Chapters and Evangelist after Alan left W3C to continue this important global outreach program of W3C. With the introduction, hope I am not a complete stranger for you.

<angel> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/14-chapters-minutes.html

angel: about the Chapter meeting at TPAC 2023
… had not much time to get fully prepared, but felt the necessity for us to meet, because many significant changes happened to W3C in the past 12 months
which might impact the Chapters and Evangelist program

[angel shows the slide 1]
… The No 1 biggest change is W3C has become a legal entity since Jan 1 this year. I believe Alan has given you the introduction, and will not get into details. The multi-host structure of W3C has been ended. Now W3C Inc the legal entity is in control of the W3C assets. 3 of the 4 previous W3C Hosts have become W3C partners to continue their important roles in W3C. Another change is, this June, W3C got approved with 501(c)3status as a public charity org to receive tax deduction
… we need to consult with legal counsel about Chapters and Evangelist program under this status
… Also, as Ralph shared, a new CEO of W3C is joining on Nov 13
… And it’s important to have the new CEO’s engagement and support. The previous time table to get the planning part done before end of Dec might be too aggressive to accommodate all these above. We need to adjust our planning a bit, and need your help for the future program for 2024
… comments?

[Slide 2, For 2024]
… in 4-6 months, we might need 1. updated version of the Chapters and Evangelist program, important items including shared goals, a scalable cooperation item list and a financial mode that works 2. 2024 roadmap for each Chapter and Evangelist, and 3. Chapters & Evangelists agreement signing
… we want W3C to have globally participated community
… Chapters & Evangelists play important role
… to make that happen
… we need to have a legal review for agreement to align with 503(c) status and the shared goals of this program
… I'd like to hear from all of you whether those make sense or not

Rachel: it's a good start. Thanks Angel, everybody appreciate this meeting
… Timing question. Nov is coming soon
… are you talking about Feb or March to present those 3 items?

Angel: yes, I was hoping to finish with that timeline

Rachel: We have some of ongoing recruitment that might be coming soon. So I'm looking for the agreement and signing
… we need to have clear conditions on the agreement

angel: I need to work with management team and legal professionals for that
… I guess it's hard to put an exact timeline but I'll work on it

Rachel: want to talk to people here at the call. Let's make sure we want to cooperate
… it could be chicken and egg but we need to work with

angel: thank you Rachel: It's about 1 month to have our new CEO. While waiting for his on-boarding, we can start some initial work to think about the basic ideas of the updated version of this program
… I see no issue to get started from 2024
… would be nice to invite the new CEO to join the chapters and evangelists call sometime in the near future

Rachel: For the current Chapter agreement, I shared it during TPAC in Sevilla. Does the new CEO have the current agreement?
… as we are recruiting actively so I just want to make sure of the timing and conditions
… I'd suggest is to have a current Chapter and Evangelist agreement in front of the new CEO. So we can communicate what to change

angel: Seth might not have the documents since he has not got on-board yet.
And I agree that there might be some possible changes needed for the new agreement.
… we need to work together on these documents
… please note there will likely be a gap, since the current agreement is expiring at end of this year and it will take some time to get the new agreement signed
… we need to communicate well on this

Rachel: can we have an extension until a new agreement gets completed?
… commission structure should be clear during the blank period
… when we have the new CEO, we want to show the current agreement, and ask to extend the current one

angel: I'll ask management team on this

Rachel: activities of South Asia is not reflected in my agreement thought I am doing working there. Alan asked me to work with that area to evangelize
… just to be fair to everyone, we need an extended agreement

angel: sounds reasonable request, which I will bring to the management team

[Slide 3, How do we work together?]

angel: 1. tooling and 2. timing of meetings with Chapters and Evangelists
… what kind of tooling you would prefer? google doc for document development? shall we meet in mid of Nov and Dec to push things forward? is UTC12:00 a bad time for you? your input is highly appreciated

<Rachel> + meetup Nov and Dec

<Bill_Kasdorf> +1

angel: I see Rachel suggests to have meetup Nov and Dec
… is UTC12:00 ok?

<wonsuk_> +1 for all :)

Rachel: timing usually what we've done were 8am, 11pm EST
… though I know 11pm EST is hard for Asia
… I'll volunteer if people prefers 11am EST

angel: in some other orgs, people share a pain to rotate slots to cover different time zones
… or we can do like AB-led meetings, they have 3 slots with 3 times for difference regions, downside is that we won't be ALL together at the same time
… I'll send out doodle to collect a possible time for our Nov and Dec meeting

Rachel: 8am EST is good for lots people
… 11am is good for European
… we can see who wants to volunteer. I can volunteer for a slot that people can't attend

angel: I will start to put thoughts on the future program into a document, once some contents get ready, I'll share with you and we can work online asynchronously, so that we don't have to spend time during a call

Rachel: In terms of document, I want to set a goal and vision what we want to have the agreement
… and what our plan and roadmap
… I'd suggest we have a consistent way, e.g. 5 goals. We are still agreeing 5 goals. Like recruitment is optional
… we can have a matrix for the goals
… so that we have a consistent way of presenting to people who sees the document

angel: thanks Rachel. It makes sense to have a more unified form for us all

Rachel: suggesting a template. Some of Chapters thinks about beyond idea
… I can circulate a template
… One item missing is a budget
… I can come out with a template using Excel

angel: thank you Rachel. and I'd like to hear from other people as well

wonsuk: I mostly agree with Rachel's proposal
… we need to make a wikipage that everybody can see and input
… see issues as well

Rachel: I agree with Wonsuk and report back
… presenting Roadmap. that should be consistent with all chapters
… it doesn't have to be10 pages
… my concern is about protecting our whole program
… there should be no ambiguity

wonsuk: I agree with Rachel

angel: wonsuk, a wikipage is as one of the tools for the program?

wonsuk: yes. we need it to see what kind of items we need to solve now
… we'll have a monthly meeting. Some Chapters or Evangelists might not be attend
… if we have a wikipage which shows important items, people can catch them up, consider and input

angel: great idea Wonsuk. Thank you. we can input information on a wiki page
… I'm trying to gather information that need to care about

Rachel: wikipage is an excellent idea as well as google doc
… so everything could become consistent

angel: actually we have several wiki pages. I'll gather info and see how to integrate them into one place
… any other comments?
… if you have any ideas, please let me know. By far we hear at no objection to accommodate to shape this program
… we need to work together on the updated version of this program, and create the new agreement for 2024
… shouldn't be longer than 4-6 months
… I'll bring this back to the W3C management team to have better shape on this program

Muhammad: thanks so much for today. GCC plans lots of efforts for regional activities, but needs help from W3C team. it's a huge problem for GCC W3C activities
… want to remind to discuss by the management team, I'd like to have an equal support for everyone
… we put huge efforts but no one else might know that
… today as a new management, I hope they might not have a new picture of us

angel: May I propose to have a follow up call with you? Alan shared past information including challenges you had. I'd like to understand them better

LuisM: I don't know who structures this program. To have a sponsorship, we have to have more visibility
… W3C team should have some work to debate how they provide more support

angel: Agree with you having a clear strategy for chapters and evangelists. As a new global entity,  
… it's a right time for us to have a deeper look at this program
… I'm working with you guys to make this situation clear

Rachel: All of us facing the same situation. We are not getting any support. We need to have changes
… clarify how to allocate resources to support 
… you might be surprised to see how we are lacking supports
… W3C web site of Chapters and Evangelist. I don't know if we still active or not

angel: thank you all. I hear no objection for us to move forward as discussed from today's meeting. I'll keep you posted, and glad to see everyone here, and eager to work with you all.

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