W3C

– DRAFT –
ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force

10 October 2023

Attendees

Present
CurtBellew, jongund, Matt_King
Regrets
-
Chair
Matt King
Scribe
jongund

Meeting minutes

Status of Site Updates

MK: Publication last week, next October 31st, could delay if needed

MK: Would like a Nov and Dec updates

MK: Three things to get done

MK: Menu button examples

AC: I will look at it this week

JG: Regression test changes

MK: Yes, I did put in the issue in the regression test needs to be changed

MK: I will get the keyboard changes

MK: The feed example is a stretch

MK: Maybe the slider example

Slider Example

<Matt_King> github: w3c/aria-practices#2831

MK: I have looked at it, but not commented

MK: It seems to address the issue problems

https://deploy-preview-271--aria-practices.netlify.app/aria/apg/patterns/slider/examples/slider-rating/

MK: My first thought is about the wording of the label, and the number of items in the scale

MK: Normally they are 10 point scales, not 11 points

MK: The scale is extremely dissatisified to extremly satisified

MK: The found the wording confusing

JG: In the previous example we just talked about stars

MK: What do people expect in a 10 point satisfaction scale

MK: Do we want words to label the numbers

JG: Let's make it simplier, use a 10 point scale

MK: We do not a 0-10 point scale in the label

CB: I think the label could be shorter

AC: Can we use 0-5 instead of 10?

MK: We radio have the radio one for the 5 point scale

MK: We wanted a longer scale to demonstrate where slider is better than radio pattern

MK: Shorten from 1-10, rather than 010

JG: The ratings will only have text labels on 1 and 10

CB: For some reason I thought value max and min are announced by JAWS

MK: We have an issue in ARIA-AT on this issue

MK: If you have aria-min and aria-max and you are using ara-valuetext

MK: aria-min and aria-max can only be numbers

JG: The range is 0-10, but the user can only select between 1-10

MK: That seems to make sense

MK: The range should be from 1 - 10, instead of 0 - 10.

JG: Our documentation says that we need a aria-valuenow between aria-valuemin and aria-valuemax

JG: Dynamically changing the range has many problems

MK: We can do what you are doing right now, since it conforms to the spec

MK: What is the screen reader going to hear if there is a minimum value

Issue 2835 - Revise landmark example pages to use site template

<Matt_King> github: w3c/aria-practices#2835

MK: Landmark example pages do not use WAI templates

MK: Problems loading the APG website

MK: We had a highlight feature on the example pages and used a range of landmarks of each page

MK: I would like to use a the APG template for the landmark page

MK: We could make an example page with all the landmark types, including FORM, SEARCH and REGION

MK: The code that is the example would be spread throughout the template

MK: Not sure how to address ther coding example

MK: The code for landmarks is simple

JG: You want to take out the coding examples, they are to simples

MK: There would be just one page in the example directory, there is not keyboard

MK: Maybe a control to highlight all or individual landmark

MK: Visually highlighting the landmarks is important

JG: I agree on the highlighting

Siri: Mostly I tell people what types of landmarks to use

MK: Do you point to the APG examples

Siri: I point them to a page using good landmarks

AC: I don't reference landmarks a ton in our work

Siri: The website is slow

JG: Landmarks are not considered a WCAG requirement and in compliance driven process there are more important

MK: The HTML defaults are both helpful and problems

JG: When people are interested landmarks what should the example tell them

MK: We ned to focus on what the landmark example page

JG: Do you want me to draft something?

MK: What is the best approach here?

MK: Some design criteria, what the biggest issue is the words on the page

<siri> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/landmarks/examples/main.html

MK: I would like to get this done by the end of the year, what is the most important for the example page

End meeting

<Matt_King> Next meeting on Oct 17

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

Diagnostics

Maybe present: AC, CB, JG, MK, Siri

All speakers: AC, CB, JG, MK, Siri

Active on IRC: CurtBellew, jongund, Matt_King, siri