Meeting minutes
Status of Site Updates
Matt_King: We need to double-check that everything we intended to publish is on the branch
<Jem> w3c/
Jem: I can double-check in production, and I'll comment in that pull request
Matt_King: It looks like we're well on our way to getting more fixes and improvements in place for the end of September
Jem: So a target date of September 26
Pull request reviews
<Jem> w3c/
Move feed example inside the page
github: w3c/
andrea_cardona_: We were working on this yesterday
Matt_King: This looks good. It makes me wonder what we want to do with the content in the iframe
<Jem> https://
<Jem> Preview is available from above url
Matt_King: there's a part of me that wishes that the control was not inside of the example. I'm also thinking we should get rid of all the text which is on the example page but not part of the page
Matt_King: And we should remove the "main" region within the iframe
Matt_King: I'm also wondering about the visual presentation of the example, now
<jongund> https://
[Jem shares their screen]
Matt_King: The control I was referring to is labeled "Select article loading delay"
Matt_King: The carousel page places a control above the example in a dedicated section titled "Example Options"
Matt_King: I'm wondering if we want a similar "Example Options" heading above the example in the Feed Display
andrea_cardona_: I think we should do that! ariellalgilmore and I can definitely add that feature in
Matt_King: The benefit would be that it would give us a space where we can explain the control
jugglinmike: It also more strongly delineates the APG example from the UI for modifying the example's behavior. Folks who are new to this pattern might otherwise be confused about which parts of the UI are part of Feed
jongund: Can we add the words "infinite scroll" to the title? Maybe "Infinite Scroll Feed Example" ?
Matt_King: That's a good idea
Matt_King: I think the heading "Recommended Restaurants" should be level 3 (it's currently a level 1 heading)
Matt_King: I will write a new description of the "select loading delay" control after we've moved it out of the iframe
Jem: What is the accessibilty concern which motivates this control?
Matt_King: If you set that value to something exaggerated like 3 seconds, if you're scrolling by navigating by article heading, then the AT shouldn't jump out of the feed, and it should convey aria-busy
Matt_King: the Feed pattern is intended to be a sort of stopgap for the fact that we don't have the larger "virtualized content" issue resolved in ARIA
Matt_King: I think it's going to be a long time before we can take that on. Even years away
Jem: Microsoft has previously come up with a proposal to handle infinite scroll. I don't know if that proposal is still active
New Issue Action Planning
Using aria-owns with late-mounted descendants
<Jem> w3c/
github: w3c/
Matt_King: It seems like the reporter is proposing that we add something to this topic to the APG, but it's not clear
<Jem> https://
Matt_King: There isn't a lot of support for aria-busy
Matt_King: aria-busy can hide content from the AT while it's true. I've seen situations where aria-busy is set to "true", it makes the page unusable
CurtBellew: how does aria-owns play into this?
Matt_King: I think a great action would be to read this article
Matt_King: We won't be meeting again until September 19. That's a long time to ask the reporter to wait, and they've already been waiting a while
jongund: the reporter seems to be conflating (a little bit) aria-selected and aria-activedescendant
[the group experiments with the reporter's example]
jongund: they may be misusing aria-busy. That attribute should be on the container element
Matt_King: So, the first list box is under "expected flights"
Matt_King: As you scroll through that list, how is aria-busy used?
jongund: aria-busy is on each div element with the role "option"
Matt_King: What is the purpose of that?
jongund: I don't know
CurtBellew: JAWS is announcing as the flights are arriving
CurtBellew: JAWS had a hard time even finding the version embedded in the page. I had better luck when I opened it in CodePen
CurtBellew: I wouldn't necessarily use aria-busy for this; just a live region would be sufficient. But that makes me think that we may be missing the reporter's intention
Matt_King: I have a slightly better understanding of what's going on here. I think the article deserves some feedback, but I don't know if they were just looking for feedback or if they would like to incorporate this into APG
Matt_King: I think this is an important topic. We should bring it up again in the next agenda
Matt_King: If jongund or CurtBellew have time, please comment. I'll do the same