IRC log of aria-apg on 2023-06-20
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
- 17:59:48 [jugglinmike]
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- MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
- 18:00:07 [Matt_King]
- CHAIR: Matt King
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- present+
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/20-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
- 18:06:05 [jugglinmike]
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- 18:10:26 [jugglinmike]
- Topic: Status of Coming Site Updates
- 18:11:07 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: The latest deploy is completed
- 18:11:20 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I will validate the issues listed here in the agenda
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- jugglinmike: The link to the new "Landmarks" pattern is broken; it returns a 404/"Document not found error"
- 18:14:07 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: We've only just now identified this, and we're currently investigating why it occurred in order to understand how to fix it and prevent similar errors in the future
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- Topic: Pull request reviews
- 18:14:52 [siri]
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- Matt_King: I've merged "PR 2724: Example Pages: Change Javascript to JavaScript in h2 elements by mcking65" https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2724
- 18:15:34 [jugglinmike]
- Subtopic: Skipto menu on all pages: Update skipto.js script to version 5.1.6
- 18:15:39 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2680
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- Matt_King: This was awaiting review
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- 18:17:10 [daniel-montalvo]
- present+ Daniel
- 18:17:30 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: ariellalgilmore has approved the visual appearance. That's what I was looking for. Maybe this is ready to go
- 18:17:48 [jugglinmike]
- subtopic: Checkbox Example (Mixed-State): Toggle on keyup to prevent continuous toggling by sivakusayan · Pull Request #2722 · w3c/aria-practices
- 18:17:55 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2722
- 18:18:18 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: It seems like someone should have been assigned to review the code
- 18:18:49 [jugglinmike]
- andrea_cardona: I can review it
- 18:18:55 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Awesome; I'll assign you right now
- 18:21:38 [jugglinmike]
- subtopic: PR 2723: Select-only Combobox Example: Fix scroll event listener bug by ariellalgilmore
- 18:21:42 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2723
- 18:21:54 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: This is ready for review; did we assign a reviewer last week?
- 18:22:26 [jugglinmike]
- andrea_cardona: We asked Valerie to review, and she said that she could
- 18:23:30 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: It's awesome to see spectranaut back in APG stuff
- 18:26:17 [jugglinmike]
- subtopic: Feed Display Example Broken Star Images
- 18:26:21 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2628
- 18:27:05 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Paul Brown (GitHub handle "frozenzia") has volunteered to take this up, but they're having trouble running the tests on their Mac
- 18:27:38 [jugglinmike]
- andrea_cardona: I develop on a Mac. I can try to run these tests and comment on this issue about my experience
- 18:45:08 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: It appears as though there might be some documentation missing for folks who want to run the tests on Mac. The "command" versus "control" thing may be a red herring
- 18:46:15 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: I can bring this to Carmen and see that someone from Bocoup takes a look at this alongside andrea_cardona
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- Topic: New Issue Action Planning
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- Subtopic: ARIA & Progressive Enhancement
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- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2727
- 18:48:34 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Most of the ARIA we add in APG is added dynamically
- 18:48:47 [siri]
- Can you add grid for layout issue for our next APG discussion. I need to dropout now
- 18:59:25 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: I'm thinking about the Treeview pattern. Right now, if the user views the example with JavaScript disabled, it appears as a broken treeview. Wouldn't it be better to render that content as a list in that case?
- 19:01:51 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: It might be better to describe this topic with the term "graceful degradation" rather than "progressive enhancement" because we don't necessarily believe the patterns in APG are "enhancements"
- 19:02:53 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I agree that the "graceful degradation" is preferable, but I have more fundamental questions about this. I don't know how realistic it is for screen reader users to browse the web with JavaScript disabled
- 19:04:40 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I don't personally browse with JavaScript disabled, so I may be biased, but we haven't typically considered it as a use case
- 19:07:34 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: It sounds like what we're saying is: graceful degradation generally takes additional effort, so we would want evidence that the practice would benefit real end-users before making a recommendation in APG...
- 19:08:09 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: ...and that we currently don't have evidence that screen reader users browse the web with JavaScript disabled.
- 19:09:11 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: That sounds right to me. However, this person is asking whether it is okay to make their implementations of the patterns degrade gracefully
- 19:09:57 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: And to that specific question, I think that yes, it is certainly okay (because that practice does not interfere with the behavior as outlined in APG)
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- Zakim, end the meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jugglinmike, CurtBellew, Daniel
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/20-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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