IRC log of maturity on 2023-06-07
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 14:44:59 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #maturity
- 14:45:03 [RRSAgent]
- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/06/07-maturity-irc
- 14:45:04 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, make logs Public
- 14:45:05 [Zakim]
- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio_
- 14:45:19 [Fazio_]
- meeting: Maturity Model
- 14:45:30 [Fazio_]
- Chair: Fazio
- 14:49:15 [Fazio_]
- Agenda+ Spreadsheet Update
- 14:49:34 [Fazio_]
- Agenda+TL;DR Update from Stacey: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Jun/0000.html
- 14:50:02 [Fazio_]
- Agenda+ Support Dimension Update https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023May/0019.html
- 14:50:21 [Fazio_]
- Agenda+ Stakeholder Document Update
- 14:50:34 [Fazio_]
- Agenda+ Publication Update Update
- 14:58:09 [Fazio_]
- present+
- 14:59:59 [Mark_M]
- Mark_M has joined #maturity
- 15:00:23 [nadine]
- nadine has joined #maturity
- 15:00:31 [Mark_M]
- maturity
- 15:00:43 [Mark_M]
- present+
- 15:01:37 [stacey]
- stacey has joined #maturity
- 15:02:52 [IrfanA]
- IrfanA has joined #maturity
- 15:02:55 [IrfanA]
- present+
- 15:03:03 [jklkine]
- jklkine has joined #maturity
- 15:03:06 [stacey]
- present+
- 15:03:09 [jklkine]
- present+
- 15:04:52 [nadine]
- present+
- 15:05:22 [stacey]
- scribe+
- 15:05:42 [IrfanA]
- agenda?
- 15:05:49 [IrfanA]
- zakim, next item
- 15:05:49 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- Spreadsheet Update -- taken up [from Fazio_]
- 15:05:49 [stacey]
- zakim, next item
- 15:05:50 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 was just opened, stacey
- 15:06:38 [janina]
- janina has joined #maturity
- 15:06:44 [janina]
- present+
- 15:06:47 [janina]
- agenda?
- 15:07:14 [SusiPallero]
- SusiPallero has joined #maturity
- 15:07:17 [janina]
- scribe+
- 15:07:20 [SusiPallero]
- present+
- 15:08:10 [janina]
- stacey: Have emailed
- 15:08:26 [janina]
- stacey: reads her proposal
- 15:09:41 [SusiPallero]
- q+
- 15:10:03 [janina]
- Fazio_: not a fan of "right thing to do" -- but like much
- 15:10:42 [janina]
- Fazio_: right thing to do because -- see 1.6
- 15:11:09 [janina]
- s/1.6/1 in 6/
- 15:11:50 [janina]
- Fazio_: tell them why, and it brings people back in
- 15:13:27 [janina]
- SusiPallero: include "human right"
- 15:13:40 [jklkine]
- q+
- 15:14:04 [janina]
- ack SusiPallero
- 15:14:23 [Mark_M]
- q+
- 15:15:02 [janina]
- [discussion of using hyperlinks here]
- 15:15:52 [janina]
- [discussion of how to explain why]
- 15:16:17 [Lionel]
- Lionel has joined #maturity
- 15:16:42 [Lionel]
- agenda?
- 15:16:50 [Lionel]
- present+
- 15:16:51 [janina]
- q?
- 15:17:12 [janina]
- ack jk
- 15:17:43 [janina]
- jklkine: wanting to see language about barriers, eliminating barriers to employment, participation in life activities
- 15:17:51 [janina]
- ack jk
- 15:17:55 [SusiPallero]
- +1
- 15:18:03 [janina]
- ack ma
- 15:18:13 [SusiPallero]
- q+
- 15:18:29 [janina]
- Mark_M: Love this draft -- wonder about 4th para where the model is described ...
- 15:18:51 [janina]
- . phps a more direct sentence of what amaturity model is, or what it accomplishes
- 15:18:54 [janina]
- .
- 15:19:09 [janina]
- . concern that people unfamiliar with maturity models wouldn't understand what an mm does
- 15:19:47 [janina]
- . it's there, but could be more concise and direct--more obvious
- 15:20:39 [janina]
- q?
- 15:20:47 [janina]
- ack su
- 15:21:02 [janina]
- SusiPallero: agree with mark
- 15:22:43 [janina]
- . concerned about i18n use of 'disability'
- 15:22:59 [janina]
- . phps "temporary impairment"
- 15:23:55 [janina]
- q?
- 15:23:59 [janina]
- q?
- 15:25:35 [janina]
- janina: suggests phps barrier rather than impairment to keep focus on interface, not user function
- 15:25:58 [janina]
- q?
- 15:28:34 [janina]
- q?
- 15:29:22 [stacey]
- zakim, next item
- 15:29:22 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- TL;DR Update from Stacey: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Jun/0000.html -- taken up [from Fazio_]
- 15:29:54 [Lionel]
- present+
- 15:30:06 [stacey]
- zakim, next item
- 15:30:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 was just opened, stacey
- 15:30:12 [janina]
- agenda?
- 15:30:16 [janina]
- agenda?
- 15:30:39 [janina]
- zakim, close this item
- 15:30:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 closed
- 15:30:40 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 15:30:40 [Zakim]
- 3. Support Dimension Update https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023May/0019.html [from Fazio_]
- 15:30:43 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 15:30:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Support Dimension Update https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023May/0019.html -- taken up [from Fazio_]
- 15:31:25 [stacey]
- Small subgroupp task force (Stacey, Jeff, Lionel) roles compared to dimensions. Sneak peak for status. Not ready for feedback just yet
- 15:32:31 [nadine_]
- nadine_ has joined #maturity
- 15:32:35 [stacey]
- Please send the link to public. (update sent directly to Sheri and David already)
- 15:33:44 [Lionel]
- scribe+
- 15:33:44 [stacey]
- Cover page has status - in progress. Dimensions, method we're using informed and RACI. Role names are a bit nebulous at the moment.
- 15:33:46 [Lionel]
- Lionel: The role names as they stand are a bit nebulous-- we identify significant variation in the expectations people have associated with a given role title.
- 15:34:06 [stacey]
- (RACI - responsible, accountable, consulted, informed)
- 15:35:01 [Lionel]
- ... The selection criteria for inclusion in the role list is nebulous as well.
- 15:35:02 [stacey]
- Selection criteria of inclusion of specific roles are nebulous
- 15:35:07 [nadine_]
- nadine_ has joined #maturity
- 15:35:40 [nadine_]
- present+
- 15:35:43 [stacey]
- Such as developer vs evaluation or authoring developer, but content gets in there once.
- 15:35:52 [stacey]
- Reducing to binary yes/no is hard
- 15:36:05 [IrfanA]
- q+
- 15:36:11 [stacey]
- Where you see comments in the doc is where we had a lot of discussion
- 15:36:41 [jklkine]
- q+
- 15:36:59 [janina]
- ack ir
- 15:37:53 [SusiPallero]
- Maybe adding another column like "optional" or "desirable" (not sure that is the correct word) but like "it would be good to have them"
- 15:38:09 [SusiPallero]
- column or value
- 15:38:17 [Lionel]
- The Google Doc, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ssN718MpZjxJkx4nltj6XdzziFzeCMyG0Hm0vJZolgc/edit#gid=1561882902
- 15:38:43 [janina]
- ack jk
- 15:39:50 [stacey]
- probably pair down and converge more, but if someone has DEI everytrhing ight be in there. Companies structure differently so need to be careful about validity. We don't want it to be taken too literally that this is the only/exact way to do it.
- 15:40:30 [stacey]
- There are going to be organizations that has no idea who does what, what role, etc. But this is a tool that might use.
- 15:41:40 [stacey]
- we inherited this role list, so we have questions on them...General council, dedicated council, corp council...many types of legal roles. Imagine we'll curate this list once we get through this first pass.
- 15:41:56 [stacey]
- Could be we might go more minimal/more broad
- 15:42:13 [stacey]
- legal and compliance instead of lawyer
- 15:42:19 [stacey]
- so support would be yes according to RACI
- 15:42:43 [stacey]
- We'll be ready and look forward to deep discussion once we get through first pass
- 15:42:55 [jklkine]
- q+
- 15:43:06 [jklkine]
- never=mind
- 15:44:06 [stacey]
- zakim, next item
- 15:44:06 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, stacey
- 15:44:10 [janina]
- q?
- 15:44:14 [janina]
- ack jk
- 15:44:39 [stacey]
- zakim, next item
- 15:44:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- Stakeholder Document Update -- taken up [from Fazio_]
- 15:45:08 [janina]
- zakim, close this item
- 15:45:08 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 closed
- 15:45:08 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
- 15:45:08 [Zakim]
- 5. Publication Update Update [from Fazio_]
- 15:45:10 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 15:45:10 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 -- Publication Update Update -- taken up [from Fazio_]
- 15:45:43 [stacey]
- topic support dimension update
- 15:46:11 [janina]
- topic: support dimension update
- 15:46:35 [stacey]
- Susi has last update from Charles. He added some changes, so we'll wait until he's on. Table this item for now.
- 15:46:48 [janina]
- topic: publication update
- 15:47:18 [Fazio_]
- zakim, next item
- 15:47:18 [Zakim]
- I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Fazio_
- 15:47:24 [stacey]
- hope to have this in shaped to vote for ready to update working draft this month (3 weeks to finish up re-drafting). Just needs ready for updated working draft. Doesn't need to be perfect
- 15:47:38 [stacey]
- How do we feel about this (to the group)?
- 15:48:14 [stacey]
- we probably have enough to update. Will follow up with Sheri.
- 15:48:39 [stacey]
- Quite a few orgs have been testing this out, and we'll continue to get feedback from them
- 15:48:47 [stacey]
- Any new business/ comments/ concerns?
- 15:50:55 [stacey]
- Would be great to see folx in TPAC in Sept in Spain
- 15:52:06 [SusiPallero]
- I am attending too
- 15:53:10 [stacey]
- zakim, end meeting
- 15:53:10 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Fazio_, Mark_M, IrfanA, stacey, jklkine, nadine, janina, SusiPallero, Lionel, nadine_
- 15:53:12 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:53:13 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/07-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
- 15:53:21 [Zakim]
- I am happy to have been of service, stacey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
- 15:53:21 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #maturity
- 16:34:09 [janina]
- janina has left #maturity