W3C

– DRAFT –
WoT-WG/IG

12 April 2023

Attendees

Present
Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
Lagally
Chair
Sebastian
Scribe
kaz, McCool_

Meeting minutes

Guests

Sebastian: we do have a new member from UPM, Salvador Gonzales Gerpe
… unfortunately not here today

Minutes

Apr-5

Sebastian: minutes from April 5
… has a resolution for proceeding with the new draft charter
… talked a bit about the detail document and further planning

McCool: note that I have not touched anything in the "details" doc, we still need to work on that

Sebastian: ok. any comments on the minutes, any objection to publish?
… hearing no objections, we will publish these.

Quick updates

Sebastian: cancellations, any news?
… Week of April 17 is Hannover fair, many people will be unavailable

McCool: propose we cancel the Security call April 17, but Discovery WILL be held - Dev meeting

Sebastian: guess we don't know about Profile and Arch?

Kaz: discussed in Profile call, assume will be held, also Arch next week

Sebastian: next, need to submit TPAC questionnaire
… how many people, will we have a meeting, what dates and times, etc.
… also need to plan joint meetings and look for conflicts
… and do we want a pre- or post- meeting?
… plugfest before? vF2F before?
… deadline is not until May 8
… McCool created a wiki page, see link in agenda

Kaz: deadline for this qs is May 8; what is important is what day we will have meetings

Kaz: this however is a hybrid meeting, so some people can be remote, so we need to identify how many people would be there in person based on the agenda and the schedule.

<kaz> TPAC 2023 page

McCool: note that only Thursday and Friday are conflict-free at present
… up to 16 hours if we use all slots, but need to worry about remote participants
… so probably can only use afternoons

Ege: so topics are one thing, physical presence
… I do plan to go

Sebastian: I also plan to go

McCool: I am not sure yet
… let's add a section to the wiki to track this

<kaz> WoT TPAC 2023 wiki

Sebastian: (edits wiki to add link to qs, etc)

Sebastian: also need to clarify plugfest
… personally think demo table was very good, but need prep time

McCool: propose we take the weekend before for a demo-development plugfest, and then also schedule a demo breakout
… however this qs does not ask about breakouts - that will come later

Kaz: please remember breakout sessions will be handled separately, will come later
… having demos and plugfest like in Lyon would be useful but situation is still a hybrid meeting
… will have to organize carefully, agree, can support remote demos as well

McCool: but can organize later

AOB

Sebastian: any other topics?

Ege: marketing task force resolutions

<Ege> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2023Apr/0003.html

1. Collecting articles about WoT from the Web with a strict selection policy: As you can see in the Pull Request [1] and its rendering [2], we are adding a new page with list of articles from the Web. The policy to select them can be also seen at [3]. If you do not have any objections, we would like to merge the Pull Request. 2. Social Media Management: We have decided [4] that the social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. We have detailed the policy in a comment at [5]. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy [6] to reflect this.

Ege: good to look at related PRs and policy documents; for example, review policy for listing articles
… only links, not rehosting

McCool: need actual resolution for this...

<Ege> proposal: we agree to merge PR 357 of the marketing repository to have an articles page on our web page

<Ege> proposal: we agree to merge PR 357 of the marketing repository to have an articles page on our web page. See PR: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/357

Kaz: also good to link email

<kaz> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2023Apr/0003.html Mrketing TF proposal

McCool: to confirm, this covers only item 1, right?

<kaz> 1. articles about WoT from the Web with a strict selection policy: As you can see in the Pull Request [1] and its rendering [2], we are adding a new page with list of articles from the Web. The policy to select them can be also seen at [3]. If you do not have any objections, we would like to merge the Pull Request.

Ege: right

RESOLUTION: we agree to merge PR 357 of the marketing repository to have an articles page on our web page. See PR: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/357

Sebastian: any objections?

Sebastian: then there is the second request

<kaz> 2. Social Media Management: We have decided [4] that the social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. We have detailed the policy in a comment at [5]. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy [6] to reflect this.

Ege: this is about twitter, but also social media in general
… whether we can post content on the WoT twitter account, which belongs to the WG, can come from other groups

McCool: as the policy is stated, feel a little uncomfortable allowing groups outside WoT (JP) CG to post

Sebastian: so this is a policy it that we will share the twitter account, correct?

Ege: right, as long as the group posting is identified

Sebastian: ok with this approach, would rather not have a separate social media account, too messy

Sebastian: generally agree

Kaz: what we discussed in the marketing call was having separate accounts for each group, can do their own posts about their own properties.
… so would then *retweet* on the main WoT WG twitter account

Ege: that is correct; we didn't say that other groups would have own account, can be any resource, but retweeting is easiest way
… general idea however is to only reference content, not duplicate it

McCool: sounds good to me

<Ege> proposal: We have decided [4] that the social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. We have detailed the policy in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.

<Ege> proposal: The social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. Detailed policy is available in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.

Kaz: if our intention is to do what is discussed in this call, but is dangerous to mix things up do much
… mechanism is that anyone can refer to any resources
… this proposed policy is still a bit vague

McCool: want to modify the resolution or the policy doc?

Kaz: should be more explicit about using only references, not copies, of content

<Ege> proposal: The social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can refer to WoT content created and owned by other entities. Detailed policy is available in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.

Kaz: someone may wrongly understand if they only see this resolution

Sebastian: anyone objecting to current proposal?

RESOLUTION: The social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can refer to WoT content created and owned by other entities. Detailed policy is available in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.

New WG Charter

<kaz> Proposed Charter

Sebastian: have draft, have submitted for horizontal review
… still fresh, so no reviews yet

Kaz: created strategy pipeline, first horizontal review, then W3M review, and then AC review

Sebastian: next, need resolution to publish minutes for charter discussion

Charter meeting minutes

<kaz> Charter meeting page including the links for the draft minutes

McCool: I have done a full review, sent a list of corrections

Kaz: have corrected all the ones McCool mentioned

Sebastian: any other corrections?

proposal: publish corrected charter discussion minutes at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/README.md

RESOLUTION: publish corrected charter discussion minutes at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/README.md

Testimonials

McCool: suggest we push to testing call, but in general need to contact AC rep, so may take time
… if have questions, please email me

Societal Qs

Sebastian: still need to review, but McCool has updated

Dev meetings

<kaz> slides info (Member-only)

Sebastian: have been planning Dev meetings
… note that Arch Dev meeting will be tomorrow

McCool: have updated at-risk items in both of these. we should make sure external developers will join the events.

ek: will invite them

McCool: would also like to send email to CG to invite; I will do IG/WG
… also, I will chair Arch Dev mtg if necessary

Kaz: Mizushima will be working on JP Dev meetings; still to be scheduled

Testfests

<kaz> Testfest page

Sebastian: please be aware week of April 24, three days, 1h each day

McCool: this is our last testfest this charter, and last chance to resolve at-risk items
… note date for finalizing test results really May 10

McCool: also, scope is all deliverables, not just profiles

Kaz: so I asked the Profile TF to think about the Teftfest prep during the Profile call right before this main call today.

Binding Meetup

Sebastian: any news?

Mizushima: no new news

Kaz: we need to wait a bit to see feedback from other dev mtgs and testfest first

Detailed Work Items

<kaz> remaining PRs

<kaz> details doc

McCool: propose we do this only after testing is done

Sebastian: also think it is ok for TFs to merge items

McCool: for their own work items, sure, that is fine

AOB?

Sebastian: many cancellations due to Easter, so don't expect many TF reports

Sebastian: adjourn, thanks

<kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of resolutions

  1. we agree to merge PR 357 of the marketing repository to have an articles page on our web page. See PR: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/357
  2. The social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can refer to WoT content created and owned by other entities. Detailed policy is available in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.
  3. publish corrected charter discussion minutes at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/README.md
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 196 (Thu Oct 27 17:06:44 2022 UTC).